Discussion:
[Pdweb] rename "download Pd" to "Downloads"
Hans-Christoph Steiner
2012-11-02 15:55:19 UTC
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Right now the title of puredata.info/downloads is "download Pd". Since there are many things there to download, I think it would be clearer to rename the title to "downloads".

Any objections if I change that?

.hc
Nicolas Montgermont
2012-11-02 16:33:32 UTC
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good idea
n

Le 02/11/12 16:55, Hans-Christoph Steiner a ?crit :
> Right now the title of puredata.info/downloads is "download Pd". Since there are many things there to download, I think it would be clearer to rename the title to "downloads".
>
> Any objections if I change that?
>
> .hc
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Marco Donnarumma
2012-11-03 10:30:49 UTC
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mmm, I agree with the idea, but doing that we loose a clear and neat link
to Download Pd.
Download without specifying what will lead multiple users to not look into
it.
(specially they are used to see Download Pd).

"Download Pd and related software"?
or something like that, but shorter?

--
Marco Donnarumma
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Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team.
Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com
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On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 5:33 PM, Nicolas Montgermont <
nicolas_montgermont at yahoo.fr> wrote:

> good idea
> n
>
> Le 02/11/12 16:55, Hans-Christoph Steiner a ?crit :
>
> Right now the title of puredata.info/downloads is "download Pd". Since
>> there are many things there to download, I think it would be clearer to
>> rename the title to "downloads".
>>
>> Any objections if I change that?
>>
>> .hc
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András Murányi
2012-11-03 16:58:49 UTC
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A contemporary solution could be to rename the Download Pd" menu item to
"Downloads" AND to place a prominent (button-like) link on the main page,
titled "Download Pd", pointing to http://puredata.info/downloads/featured

Andr?s

On Sat, Nov 3, 2012 at 11:30 AM, Marco Donnarumma <devel at thesaddj.com>wrote:

> mmm, I agree with the idea, but doing that we loose a clear and neat link
> to Download Pd.
> Download without specifying what will lead multiple users to not look into
> it.
> (specially they are used to see Download Pd).
>
> "Download Pd and related software"?
> or something like that, but shorter?
>
> --
> Marco Donnarumma
> New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director.
> Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team.
> Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com
> Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com
> Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 5:33 PM, Nicolas Montgermont <
> nicolas_montgermont at yahoo.fr> wrote:
>
>> good idea
>> n
>>
>> Le 02/11/12 16:55, Hans-Christoph Steiner a ?crit :
>>
>> Right now the title of puredata.info/downloads is "download Pd". Since
>>> there are many things there to download, I think it would be clearer to
>>> rename the title to "downloads".
>>>
>>> Any objections if I change that?
>>>
>>> .hc
>>
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Hans-Christoph Steiner
2012-11-03 17:05:10 UTC
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That would be great to have, with platform detection as well, so it downloads the right build for your platform. Want to make that happen?

.hc

On Nov 3, 2012, at 12:58 PM, Andr?s Mur?nyi wrote:

> A contemporary solution could be to rename the Download Pd" menu item to "Downloads" AND to place a prominent (button-like) link on the main page, titled "Download Pd", pointing to http://puredata.info/downloads/featured
>
> Andr?s
>
> On Sat, Nov 3, 2012 at 11:30 AM, Marco Donnarumma <devel at thesaddj.com> wrote:
> mmm, I agree with the idea, but doing that we loose a clear and neat link to Download Pd.
> Download without specifying what will lead multiple users to not look into it.
> (specially they are used to see Download Pd).
>
> "Download Pd and related software"?
> or something like that, but shorter?
>
> --
> Marco Donnarumma
> New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director.
> Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team.
> Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com
> Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com
> Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 5:33 PM, Nicolas Montgermont <nicolas_montgermont at yahoo.fr> wrote:
> good idea
> n
>
> Le 02/11/12 16:55, Hans-Christoph Steiner a ?crit :
>
> Right now the title of puredata.info/downloads is "download Pd". Since there are many things there to download, I think it would be clearer to rename the title to "downloads".
>
> Any objections if I change that?
>
> .hc
>

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András Murányi
2012-11-03 17:11:17 UTC
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Well, afaiu one has to choose vanilla or extended before we can offer them
a platform-matching binary. Or how do you imagine the sequence?

Andr?s

On Sat, Nov 3, 2012 at 6:05 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner <hans at at.or.at>wrote:

>
> That would be great to have, with platform detection as well, so it
> downloads the right build for your platform. Want to make that happen?
>
> .hc
>
> On Nov 3, 2012, at 12:58 PM, Andr?s Mur?nyi wrote:
>
> A contemporary solution could be to rename the Download Pd" menu item to
> "Downloads" AND to place a prominent (button-like) link on the main page,
> titled "Download Pd", pointing to http://puredata.info/downloads/featured
>
> Andr?s
>
> On Sat, Nov 3, 2012 at 11:30 AM, Marco Donnarumma <devel at thesaddj.com>wrote:
>
>> mmm, I agree with the idea, but doing that we loose a clear and neat link
>> to Download Pd.
>> Download without specifying what will lead multiple users to not look
>> into it.
>> (specially they are used to see Download Pd).
>>
>> "Download Pd and related software"?
>> or something like that, but shorter?
>>
>> --
>> Marco Donnarumma
>> New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director.
>> Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team.
>> Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com
>> Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com
>> Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 5:33 PM, Nicolas Montgermont <
>> nicolas_montgermont at yahoo.fr> wrote:
>>
>>> good idea
>>> n
>>>
>>> Le 02/11/12 16:55, Hans-Christoph Steiner a ?crit :
>>>
>>> Right now the title of puredata.info/downloads is "download Pd".
>>>> Since there are many things there to download, I think it would be clearer
>>>> to rename the title to "downloads".
>>>>
>>>> Any objections if I change that?
>>>>
>>>> .hc
>>>
>>>
>
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Hans-Christoph Steiner
2012-11-04 00:47:33 UTC
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You could just have one button for Pd-extended and one for Pd-vanilla, both with platform-detection.

.hc

On Nov 3, 2012, at 1:11 PM, Andr?s Mur?nyi wrote:

> Well, afaiu one has to choose vanilla or extended before we can offer them a platform-matching binary. Or how do you imagine the sequence?
>
> Andr?s
>
> On Sat, Nov 3, 2012 at 6:05 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner <hans at at.or.at> wrote:
>
> That would be great to have, with platform detection as well, so it downloads the right build for your platform. Want to make that happen?
>
> .hc
>
> On Nov 3, 2012, at 12:58 PM, Andr?s Mur?nyi wrote:
>
>> A contemporary solution could be to rename the Download Pd" menu item to "Downloads" AND to place a prominent (button-like) link on the main page, titled "Download Pd", pointing to http://puredata.info/downloads/featured
>>
>> Andr?s
>>
>> On Sat, Nov 3, 2012 at 11:30 AM, Marco Donnarumma <devel at thesaddj.com> wrote:
>> mmm, I agree with the idea, but doing that we loose a clear and neat link to Download Pd.
>> Download without specifying what will lead multiple users to not look into it.
>> (specially they are used to see Download Pd).
>>
>> "Download Pd and related software"?
>> or something like that, but shorter?
>>
>> --
>> Marco Donnarumma
>> New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director.
>> Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team.
>> Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com
>> Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com
>> Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 5:33 PM, Nicolas Montgermont <nicolas_montgermont at yahoo.fr> wrote:
>> good idea
>> n
>>
>> Le 02/11/12 16:55, Hans-Christoph Steiner a ?crit :
>>
>> Right now the title of puredata.info/downloads is "download Pd". Since there are many things there to download, I think it would be clearer to rename the title to "downloads".
>>
>> Any objections if I change that?
>>
>> .hc
>>
>
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András Murányi
2012-11-05 17:10:30 UTC
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Alrite... Browser Detection in Plone is less than straightforward... there
is this thing, i wonder if someone is able+willing to install it:
http://plone.org/products/collective.browserdetector
...not that I'm 100% sure that this is the solution... :o)

Andr?s


On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 1:47 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner <hans at at.or.at>wrote:

>
> You could just have one button for Pd-extended and one for Pd-vanilla,
> both with platform-detection.
>
> .hc
>
> On Nov 3, 2012, at 1:11 PM, Andr?s Mur?nyi wrote:
>
> Well, afaiu one has to choose vanilla or extended before we can offer them
> a platform-matching binary. Or how do you imagine the sequence?
>
> Andr?s
>
> On Sat, Nov 3, 2012 at 6:05 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner <hans at at.or.at>wrote:
>
>>
>> That would be great to have, with platform detection as well, so it
>> downloads the right build for your platform. Want to make that happen?
>>
>> .hc
>>
>> On Nov 3, 2012, at 12:58 PM, Andr?s Mur?nyi wrote:
>>
>> A contemporary solution could be to rename the Download Pd" menu item to
>> "Downloads" AND to place a prominent (button-like) link on the main page,
>> titled "Download Pd", pointing to http://puredata.info/downloads/featured
>>
>> Andr?s
>>
>> On Sat, Nov 3, 2012 at 11:30 AM, Marco Donnarumma <devel at thesaddj.com>wrote:
>>
>>> mmm, I agree with the idea, but doing that we loose a clear and neat
>>> link to Download Pd.
>>> Download without specifying what will lead multiple users to not look
>>> into it.
>>> (specially they are used to see Download Pd).
>>>
>>> "Download Pd and related software"?
>>> or something like that, but shorter?
>>>
>>> --
>>> Marco Donnarumma
>>> New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director.
>>> Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team.
>>> Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London
>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>> Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com
>>> Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com
>>> Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 5:33 PM, Nicolas Montgermont <
>>> nicolas_montgermont at yahoo.fr> wrote:
>>>
>>>> good idea
>>>> n
>>>>
>>>> Le 02/11/12 16:55, Hans-Christoph Steiner a ?crit :
>>>>
>>>> Right now the title of puredata.info/downloads is "download Pd".
>>>>> Since there are many things there to download, I think it would be clearer
>>>>> to rename the title to "downloads".
>>>>>
>>>>> Any objections if I change that?
>>>>>
>>>>> .hc
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>
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IOhannes m zmoelnig
2012-11-06 08:56:41 UTC
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On 2012-11-05 18:10, Andr?s Mur?nyi wrote:
> Alrite... Browser Detection in Plone is less than
> straightforward... there is this thing, i wonder if someone is
> able+willing to install it:

i'm a bit afraid that the currently used zope/plone instance is
horribly out of date...we are using plone2.1.x and the mentioned
product requires 3.x (or probably 2.5.x).

upgrading has been long on my todo list, but currently there is no
date fixed for this...

fgmadsr
IOhannes
András Murányi
2012-11-07 19:36:49 UTC
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On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 9:56 AM, IOhannes m zmoelnig <zmoelnig at iem.at> wrote:

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> On 2012-11-05 18:10, Andr?s Mur?nyi wrote:
> > Alrite... Browser Detection in Plone is less than
> > straightforward... there is this thing, i wonder if someone is
> > able+willing to install it:
>
> i'm a bit afraid that the currently used zope/plone instance is
> horribly out of date...we are using plone2.1.x and the mentioned
> product requires 3.x (or probably 2.5.x).
>
> upgrading has been long on my todo list, but currently there is no
> date fixed for this...
>
> fgmadsr
> IOhannes
>
>
If you could once duplicate the directory structure and the database, I'd
be willing to take the upgrade trip...

In the meantime, I think we should just put a "Download Pd" button on the
main page that points to "Featured downloads" and then the "Download pd"
menu item could be renamed to "Downloads".
Where do we want that button? Top of the intro text? Top of the right
column?

Andr?s
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IOhannes m zmölnig
2012-11-07 19:41:12 UTC
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On 11/07/2012 08:36 PM, Andr?s Mur?nyi wrote:
> If you could once duplicate the directory structure and the database,
> I'd be willing to take the upgrade trip...

sounds good.

>
> In the meantime, I think we should just put a "Download Pd" button on
> the main page that points to "Featured downloads" and then the "Download
> pd" menu item could be renamed to "Downloads".
> Where do we want that button? Top of the intro text? Top of the right
> column?

personally, i'd prefer top of the right column.
(but i think my views concerning webdesign are sometimes antique)

fgmadr
IOhannes
Marco Donnarumma
2012-11-08 23:53:00 UTC
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if I remember correctly, adding something to a page might be tricky (at
least with this version of Plone, the only I know).
I will look into it, although I don't have much time at the moment, so
anybody who wants to chip in before me is welcome :)

cheers,

--
Marco Donnarumma
New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director.
Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team.
Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com
Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com
Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net


On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 7:41 PM, IOhannes m zm?lnig <zmoelnig at iem.at> wrote:

> On 11/07/2012 08:36 PM, Andr?s Mur?nyi wrote:
>
>> If you could once duplicate the directory structure and the database,
>> I'd be willing to take the upgrade trip...
>>
>
> sounds good.
>
>
>
>> In the meantime, I think we should just put a "Download Pd" button on
>> the main page that points to "Featured downloads" and then the "Download
>> pd" menu item could be renamed to "Downloads".
>> Where do we want that button? Top of the intro text? Top of the right
>> column?
>>
>
> personally, i'd prefer top of the right column.
> (but i think my views concerning webdesign are sometimes antique)
>
> fgmadr
> IOhannes
>
>
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András Murányi
2012-11-09 21:18:03 UTC
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On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 12:53 AM, Marco Donnarumma <devel at thesaddj.com>wrote:

> if I remember correctly, adding something to a page might be tricky (at
> least with this version of Plone, the only I know).
> I will look into it, although I don't have much time at the moment, so
> anybody who wants to chip in before me is welcome :)
>

Let me into the Zope Management Interface and I'll try to tame the old
beast.

Andr?s
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András Murányi
2012-11-09 22:28:52 UTC
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On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 10:18 PM, Andr?s Mur?nyi <muranyia at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 12:53 AM, Marco Donnarumma <devel at thesaddj.com>wrote:
>
>> if I remember correctly, adding something to a page might be tricky (at
>> least with this version of Plone, the only I know).
>> I will look into it, although I don't have much time at the moment, so
>> anybody who wants to chip in before me is welcome :)
>>
>
> Let me into the Zope Management Interface and I'll try to tame the old
> beast.
>
> Andr?s
>

Oh! Just noticed the fresh changes. The links on the top of the right
column are cooler then I thought (ie both links are there), bravo!
As for the menu, I'd suggest "Downloads" instead of "Download" then.

Andr?s
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Marco Donnarumma
2012-11-10 11:28:44 UTC
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yea, nice..

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Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team.
Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com
Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com
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On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 10:28 PM, Andr?s Mur?nyi <muranyia at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 10:18 PM, Andr?s Mur?nyi <muranyia at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 12:53 AM, Marco Donnarumma <devel at thesaddj.com>wrote:
>>
>>> if I remember correctly, adding something to a page might be tricky (at
>>> least with this version of Plone, the only I know).
>>> I will look into it, although I don't have much time at the moment, so
>>> anybody who wants to chip in before me is welcome :)
>>>
>>
>> Let me into the Zope Management Interface and I'll try to tame the old
>> beast.
>>
>> Andr?s
>>
>
> Oh! Just noticed the fresh changes. The links on the top of the right
> column are cooler then I thought (ie both links are there), bravo!
> As for the menu, I'd suggest "Downloads" instead of "Download" then.
>
> Andr?s
>
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András Murányi
2012-11-10 15:34:08 UTC
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Now I'd just enrich the intro text on the main page with some direct links
(for RJDJ, LibPd and whatever is mentioned there) and I think a tiny bit of
clarification is missing about Vanilla (currently mentioned as "The Core of
Pd) and extended (not mentioned at all). If there are no objections, I'll
commit directly to the page, otherwise I'll post a revised version here
first.

Andr?s

On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 12:28 PM, Marco Donnarumma <devel at thesaddj.com>wrote:

> yea, nice..
>
>
> --
> Marco Donnarumma
> New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director.
> Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team.
> Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com
> Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com
> Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 10:28 PM, Andr?s Mur?nyi <muranyia at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 10:18 PM, Andr?s Mur?nyi <muranyia at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 12:53 AM, Marco Donnarumma <devel at thesaddj.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> if I remember correctly, adding something to a page might be tricky (at
>>>> least with this version of Plone, the only I know).
>>>> I will look into it, although I don't have much time at the moment, so
>>>> anybody who wants to chip in before me is welcome :)
>>>>
>>>
>>> Let me into the Zope Management Interface and I'll try to tame the old
>>> beast.
>>>
>>> Andr?s
>>>
>>
>> Oh! Just noticed the fresh changes. The links on the top of the right
>> column are cooler then I thought (ie both links are there), bravo!
>> As for the menu, I'd suggest "Downloads" instead of "Download" then.
>>
>
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Marco Donnarumma
2012-11-11 15:56:33 UTC
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good idea, yes, maybe send us your content, this list has way less members
than the others,
so we can edit collaboratively/agree on things quite fast.

thanks!

--
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New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director.
Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team.
Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com
Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com
Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net


On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 3:34 PM, Andr?s Mur?nyi <muranyia at gmail.com> wrote:

> Now I'd just enrich the intro text on the main page with some direct links
> (for RJDJ, LibPd and whatever is mentioned there) and I think a tiny bit of
> clarification is missing about Vanilla (currently mentioned as "The Core of
> Pd) and extended (not mentioned at all). If there are no objections, I'll
> commit directly to the page, otherwise I'll post a revised version here
> first.
>
> Andr?s
>
>
> On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 12:28 PM, Marco Donnarumma <devel at thesaddj.com>wrote:
>
>> yea, nice..
>>
>>
>> --
>> Marco Donnarumma
>> New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director.
>> Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team.
>> Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com
>> Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com
>> Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 10:28 PM, Andr?s Mur?nyi <muranyia at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 10:18 PM, Andr?s Mur?nyi <muranyia at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 12:53 AM, Marco Donnarumma <devel at thesaddj.com>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> if I remember correctly, adding something to a page might be tricky
>>>>> (at least with this version of Plone, the only I know).
>>>>> I will look into it, although I don't have much time at the moment, so
>>>>> anybody who wants to chip in before me is welcome :)
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Let me into the Zope Management Interface and I'll try to tame the old
>>>> beast.
>>>>
>>>> Andr?s
>>>>
>>>
>>> Oh! Just noticed the fresh changes. The links on the top of the right
>>> column are cooler then I thought (ie both links are there), bravo!
>>> As for the menu, I'd suggest "Downloads" instead of "Download" then.
>>>
>>
>
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Nicolas Montgermont
2012-11-12 10:40:22 UTC
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We had a discussion in march about the home text:
http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pdweb/2012-03/000843.html
it stopped too early :)
This may be a base to start
n





________________________________
De?: Marco Donnarumma <devel at thesaddj.com>
??: Andr?s Mur?nyi <muranyia at gmail.com>
Cc?: "pdweb at iem.at Web" <pdweb at iem.at>
Envoy? le : Dimanche 11 novembre 2012 16h56
Objet?: Re: [Pdweb] rename "download Pd" to "Downloads"


good idea, yes, maybe send us your content, this list has way less members than the others,
so we can edit collaboratively/agree on things quite fast.

thanks!

--
Marco Donnarumma
New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director.
Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team.
Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com
Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com
Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net



On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 3:34 PM, Andr?s Mur?nyi <muranyia at gmail.com> wrote:

Now I'd just enrich the intro text on the main page with some direct links (for RJDJ, LibPd and whatever is mentioned there) and I think a tiny bit of clarification is missing about Vanilla (currently mentioned as "The Core of Pd) and extended (not mentioned at all). If there are no objections, I'll commit directly to the page, otherwise I'll post a revised version here first.
>
>Andr?s
>
>
>
>On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 12:28 PM, Marco Donnarumma <devel at thesaddj.com> wrote:
>
>yea, nice..
>>
>>
>>--
>>Marco Donnarumma
>>New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director.
>>Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team.
>>Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London
>>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com
>>Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com
>>Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net
>>
>>
>>
>>On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 10:28 PM, Andr?s Mur?nyi <muranyia at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 10:18 PM, Andr?s Mur?nyi <muranyia at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 12:53 AM, Marco Donnarumma <devel at thesaddj.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>if I remember correctly, adding something to a page might be tricky (at least with this version of Plone, the only I know).
>>>>>I will look into it, although I don't have much time at the moment, so anybody who wants to chip in before me is welcome :)
>>>>>
>>>>?
>>>>Let me into the Zope Management Interface and I'll try to tame the old beast.
>>>>
>>>>Andr?s
>>>>
>>>Oh! Just noticed the fresh changes. The links on the top of the right column are cooler then I thought (ie both links are there), bravo!
>>>As for the menu, I'd suggest "Downloads" instead of "Download" then.
>>>
>
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András Murányi
2012-11-17 19:21:04 UTC
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Sirs,

I've made a proposal, please take a look and comment:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1VrM68BbNvi0VrPaLv3__C_wvNgxd5KK2Pp3Ci_1V17s/edit
(comments are enabled, editing is disabled, please start a new doc for
eventual revisions)

Andr?s


On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 11:40 AM, Nicolas Montgermont <
nicolas_montgermont at yahoo.fr> wrote:

> We had a discussion in march about the home text:
> http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pdweb/2012-03/000843.html
> it stopped too early :)
> This may be a base to start
> n
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *De :* Marco Donnarumma <devel at thesaddj.com>
> *? :* Andr?s Mur?nyi <muranyia at gmail.com>
> *Cc :* "pdweb at iem.at Web" <pdweb at iem.at>
> *Envoy? le :* Dimanche 11 novembre 2012 16h56
> *Objet :* Re: [Pdweb] rename "download Pd" to "Downloads"
>
> good idea, yes, maybe send us your content, this list has way less members
> than the others,
> so we can edit collaboratively/agree on things quite fast.
>
> thanks!
>
> --
> Marco Donnarumma
> New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director.
> Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team.
> Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com
> Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com
> Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net
>
>
> On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 3:34 PM, Andr?s Mur?nyi <muranyia at gmail.com>wrote:
>
> Now I'd just enrich the intro text on the main page with some direct links
> (for RJDJ, LibPd and whatever is mentioned there) and I think a tiny bit of
> clarification is missing about Vanilla (currently mentioned as "The Core of
> Pd) and extended (not mentioned at all). If there are no objections, I'll
> commit directly to the page, otherwise I'll post a revised version here
> first.
>
> Andr?s
>
>
> On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 12:28 PM, Marco Donnarumma <devel at thesaddj.com>wrote:
>
> yea, nice..
>
>
> --
> Marco Donnarumma
> New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director.
> Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team.
> Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com
> Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com
> Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 10:28 PM, Andr?s Mur?nyi <muranyia at gmail.com>wrote:
>
> On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 10:18 PM, Andr?s Mur?nyi <muranyia at gmail.com>wrote:
>
> On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 12:53 AM, Marco Donnarumma <devel at thesaddj.com>wrote:
>
> if I remember correctly, adding something to a page might be tricky (at
> least with this version of Plone, the only I know).
> I will look into it, although I don't have much time at the moment, so
> anybody who wants to chip in before me is welcome :)
>
>
> Let me into the Zope Management Interface and I'll try to tame the old
> beast.
>
> Andr?s
>
>
> Oh! Just noticed the fresh changes. The links on the top of the right
> column are cooler then I thought (ie both links are there), bravo!
> As for the menu, I'd suggest "Downloads" instead of "Download" then.
>
>
>
>
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Hans-Christoph Steiner
2012-11-19 19:20:26 UTC
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That's steps in the right direction, for sure. I think you should take a more radical approach: start writing things from scratch, then use the old one as a source for some text here and there.

The current text does a terrible job of explaining to total newbies what Pd is and why they might be interested. The Processing blurb is decent:

"Processing is an open source programming language and environment for people who want to create images, animations, and interactions. Initially developed to serve as a software sketchbook and to teach fundamentals of computer programming within a visual context, Processing also has evolved into a tool for generating finished professional work. Today, there are tens of thousands of students, artists, designers, researchers, and hobbyists who use Processing for learning, prototyping, and production." http://processing.org/



Max/MSP is worth looking at too:

"For over twenty years, Max has been used by performers, artists, and composers to make cutting-edge work by connecting basic functional blocks together into unique applications. Max gives you the parts to make your own music, sound, video, and interactive media applications. Simply add objects to a visual canvas and connect them together to make noise, experiment, and play." http://cycling74.com/products/max/


.hc

On Nov 17, 2012, at 2:21 PM, Andr?s Mur?nyi wrote:

> Sirs,
>
> I've made a proposal, please take a look and comment:
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1VrM68BbNvi0VrPaLv3__C_wvNgxd5KK2Pp3Ci_1V17s/edit
> (comments are enabled, editing is disabled, please start a new doc for eventual revisions)
>
> Andr?s
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 11:40 AM, Nicolas Montgermont <nicolas_montgermont at yahoo.fr> wrote:
> We had a discussion in march about the home text:
> http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pdweb/2012-03/000843.html
> it stopped too early :)
> This may be a base to start
> n
>
>
> De : Marco Donnarumma <devel at thesaddj.com>
> ? : Andr?s Mur?nyi <muranyia at gmail.com>
> Cc : "pdweb at iem.at Web" <pdweb at iem.at>
> Envoy? le : Dimanche 11 novembre 2012 16h56
> Objet : Re: [Pdweb] rename "download Pd" to "Downloads"
>
> good idea, yes, maybe send us your content, this list has way less members than the others,
> so we can edit collaboratively/agree on things quite fast.
>
> thanks!
>
> --
> Marco Donnarumma
> New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director.
> Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team.
> Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com
> Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com
> Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net
>
>
> On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 3:34 PM, Andr?s Mur?nyi <muranyia at gmail.com> wrote:
> Now I'd just enrich the intro text on the main page with some direct links (for RJDJ, LibPd and whatever is mentioned there) and I think a tiny bit of clarification is missing about Vanilla (currently mentioned as "The Core of Pd) and extended (not mentioned at all). If there are no objections, I'll commit directly to the page, otherwise I'll post a revised version here first.
>
> Andr?s
>
>
> On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 12:28 PM, Marco Donnarumma <devel at thesaddj.com> wrote:
> yea, nice..
>
>
> --
> Marco Donnarumma
> New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director.
> Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team.
> Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com
> Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com
> Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 10:28 PM, Andr?s Mur?nyi <muranyia at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 10:18 PM, Andr?s Mur?nyi <muranyia at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 12:53 AM, Marco Donnarumma <devel at thesaddj.com> wrote:
> if I remember correctly, adding something to a page might be tricky (at least with this version of Plone, the only I know).
> I will look into it, although I don't have much time at the moment, so anybody who wants to chip in before me is welcome :)
>
> Let me into the Zope Management Interface and I'll try to tame the old beast.
>
> Andr?s
>
> Oh! Just noticed the fresh changes. The links on the top of the right column are cooler then I thought (ie both links are there), bravo!
> As for the menu, I'd suggest "Downloads" instead of "Download" then.
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Pdweb mailing list
> Pdweb at iem.at
> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pdweb

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Marco Donnarumma
2012-11-20 18:41:39 UTC
Permalink
great Andr?s, thanks.

I agree with HC, we should be more radical, and focus the first paragraph
on a very simple and concise statement on what Pd does, and who is
interested in using it (see processing and max example posted by HC).

- what it does (sound, image, www, for installation, performances,
concerts, interactive scenery, etc... let's use some keywords here)
- who find it useful (artist, programmers, musicians, video artist, dance
company, hardware makers because it's so portable)
- where to get it (your paragraph looks very good to me)
- who did it and why

that should be more than enough...
my 2cents!

cheers,

--
Marco Donnarumma
New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director.
Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team.
Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com
Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com
Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net


On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 5:20 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner <hans at at.or.at>wrote:

>
> That's steps in the right direction, for sure. I think you should take a
> more radical approach: start writing things from scratch, then use the old
> one as a source for some text here and there.
>
> The current text does a terrible job of explaining to total newbies what
> Pd is and why they might be interested. The Processing blurb is decent:
>
> "Processing is an open source programming language and environment for
> people who want to create images, animations, and interactions. Initially
> developed to serve as a software sketchbook and to teach fundamentals of
> computer programming within a visual context, Processing also has evolved
> into a tool for generating finished professional work. Today, there are
> tens of thousands of students, artists, designers, researchers, and
> hobbyists who use Processing for learning, prototyping, and production."
> http://processing.org/
>
>
> Max/MSP is worth looking at too:
>
> "For over twenty years, Max has been used by performers, artists, and
> composers to make cutting-edge work by connecting basic functional blocks
> together into unique applications. Max gives you the parts to make your own
> music, sound, video, and interactive media applications. Simply add objects
> to a visual canvas and connect them together to make noise, experiment, and
> play." http://cycling74.com/products/max/
>
>
> .hc
>
> On Nov 17, 2012, at 2:21 PM, Andr?s Mur?nyi wrote:
>
> Sirs,
>
> I've made a proposal, please take a look and comment:
>
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1VrM68BbNvi0VrPaLv3__C_wvNgxd5KK2Pp3Ci_1V17s/edit
> (comments are enabled, editing is disabled, please start a new doc for
> eventual revisions)
>
> Andr?s
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 11:40 AM, Nicolas Montgermont <
> nicolas_montgermont at yahoo.fr> wrote:
>
>> We had a discussion in march about the home text:
>> http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pdweb/2012-03/000843.html
>> it stopped too early :)
>> This may be a base to start
>> n
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> *De :* Marco Donnarumma <devel at thesaddj.com>
>> *? :* Andr?s Mur?nyi <muranyia at gmail.com>
>> *Cc :* "pdweb at iem.at Web" <pdweb at iem.at>
>> *Envoy? le :* Dimanche 11 novembre 2012 16h56
>> *Objet :* Re: [Pdweb] rename "download Pd" to "Downloads"
>>
>> good idea, yes, maybe send us your content, this list has way less
>> members than the others,
>> so we can edit collaboratively/agree on things quite fast.
>>
>> thanks!
>>
>> --
>> Marco Donnarumma
>> New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director.
>> Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team.
>> Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com
>> Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com
>> Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 3:34 PM, Andr?s Mur?nyi <muranyia at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>> Now I'd just enrich the intro text on the main page with some direct
>> links (for RJDJ, LibPd and whatever is mentioned there) and I think a tiny
>> bit of clarification is missing about Vanilla (currently mentioned as "The
>> Core of Pd) and extended (not mentioned at all). If there are no
>> objections, I'll commit directly to the page, otherwise I'll post a revised
>> version here first.
>>
>> Andr?s
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 12:28 PM, Marco Donnarumma <devel at thesaddj.com>wrote:
>>
>> yea, nice..
>>
>>
>> --
>> Marco Donnarumma
>> New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director.
>> Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team.
>> Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com
>> Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com
>> Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 10:28 PM, Andr?s Mur?nyi <muranyia at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 10:18 PM, Andr?s Mur?nyi <muranyia at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 12:53 AM, Marco Donnarumma <devel at thesaddj.com>wrote:
>>
>> if I remember correctly, adding something to a page might be tricky (at
>> least with this version of Plone, the only I know).
>> I will look into it, although I don't have much time at the moment, so
>> anybody who wants to chip in before me is welcome :)
>>
>>
>> Let me into the Zope Management Interface and I'll try to tame the old
>> beast.
>>
>> Andr?s
>>
>>
>> Oh! Just noticed the fresh changes. The links on the top of the right
>> column are cooler then I thought (ie both links are there), bravo!
>> As for the menu, I'd suggest "Downloads" instead of "Download" then.
>>
>>
>>
>>
> _______________________________________________
> Pdweb mailing list
> Pdweb at iem.at
> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pdweb
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Pdweb mailing list
> Pdweb at iem.at
> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pdweb
>
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Nicolas Montgermont
2012-11-22 11:32:53 UTC
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If you don't mind, I've switched to framapad that doesn't need any
account to edit:
http://lite.framapad.org/p/HtIWJQZv7m
and started to rewrite the first paragraph:
*
Pure Data*(aka Pd) is an open sourcevisual programming language used for
multimedia processing. Starting from a blank page, you graphically
create your own software to design realtime multimedia creation (sound,
video, 3D), physical interfacing (sensors, 3D camera, joystick), motor
control, network communications or any other data computing. Pd is
widely used all over the world by a community of people coming from
different fields: musicians, visual artist, researchers, developers,
performers, spectacle technicians...

I think it lacks an ending...
let's finish it together!
n

Le 20/11/12 19:41, Marco Donnarumma a ?crit :
> great Andr?s, thanks.
>
> I agree with HC, we should be more radical, and focus the first
> paragraph on a very simple and concise statement on what Pd does, and
> who is interested in using it (see processing and max example posted
> by HC).
>
> - what it does (sound, image, www, for installation, performances,
> concerts, interactive scenery, etc... let's use some keywords here)
> - who find it useful (artist, programmers, musicians, video artist,
> dance company, hardware makers because it's so portable)
> - where to get it (your paragraph looks very good to me)
> - who did it and why
>
> that should be more than enough...
> my 2cents!
>
> cheers,
>
> --
> Marco Donnarumma
> New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director.
> Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team.
> Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com
> Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com
> Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 5:20 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner <hans at at.or.at
> <mailto:hans at at.or.at>> wrote:
>
>
> That's steps in the right direction, for sure. I think you should
> take a more radical approach: start writing things from scratch,
> then use the old one as a source for some text here and there.
>
> The current text does a terrible job of explaining to total
> newbies what Pd is and why they might be interested. The
> Processing blurb is decent:
>
> "Processing is an open source programming language and environment
> for people who want to create images, animations, and
> interactions. Initially developed to serve as a software
> sketchbook and to teach fundamentals of computer programming
> within a visual context, Processing also has evolved into a tool
> for generating finished professional work. Today, there are tens
> of thousands of students, artists, designers, researchers, and
> hobbyists who use Processing for learning, prototyping, and
> production." http://processing.org/
>
>
>
> Max/MSP is worth looking at too:
>
> "For over twenty years, Max has been used by performers, artists,
> and composers to make cutting-edge work by connecting basic
> functional blocks together into unique applications. Max gives you
> the parts to make your own music, sound, video, and interactive
> media applications. Simply add objects to a visual canvas and
> connect them together to make noise, experiment, and play."
> http://cycling74.com/products/max/
>
>
> .hc
>
> On Nov 17, 2012, at 2:21 PM, Andr?s Mur?nyi wrote:
>
>> Sirs,
>>
>> I've made a proposal, please take a look and comment:
>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1VrM68BbNvi0VrPaLv3__C_wvNgxd5KK2Pp3Ci_1V17s/edit
>> (comments are enabled, editing is disabled, please start a new
>> doc for eventual revisions)
>>
>> Andr?s
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 11:40 AM, Nicolas Montgermont
>> <nicolas_montgermont at yahoo.fr
>> <mailto:nicolas_montgermont at yahoo.fr>> wrote:
>>
>> We had a discussion in march about the home text:
>> http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pdweb/2012-03/000843.html
>> it stopped too early :)
>> This may be a base to start
>> n
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> *De :* Marco Donnarumma <devel at thesaddj.com
>> <mailto:devel at thesaddj.com>>
>> *? :* Andr?s Mur?nyi <muranyia at gmail.com
>> <mailto:muranyia at gmail.com>>
>> *Cc :* "pdweb at iem.at <mailto:pdweb at iem.at> Web" <pdweb at iem.at
>> <mailto:pdweb at iem.at>>
>> *Envoy? le :* Dimanche 11 novembre 2012 16h56
>> *Objet :* Re: [Pdweb] rename "download Pd" to "Downloads"
>>
>> good idea, yes, maybe send us your content, this list has way
>> less members than the others,
>> so we can edit collaboratively/agree on things quite fast.
>>
>> thanks!
>>
>> --
>> Marco Donnarumma
>> New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher,
>> Director.
>> Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team.
>> Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com
>> <http://marcodonnarumma.com/>
>> Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com
>> <http://res.marcodonnarumma.com/>
>> Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net
>> <http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net/>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 3:34 PM, Andr?s Mur?nyi
>> <muranyia at gmail.com <mailto:muranyia at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Now I'd just enrich the intro text on the main page with
>> some direct links (for RJDJ, LibPd and whatever is
>> mentioned there) and I think a tiny bit of clarification
>> is missing about Vanilla (currently mentioned as "The
>> Core of Pd) and extended (not mentioned at all). If there
>> are no objections, I'll commit directly to the page,
>> otherwise I'll post a revised version here first.
>>
>> Andr?s
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 12:28 PM, Marco Donnarumma
>> <devel at thesaddj.com <mailto:devel at thesaddj.com>> wrote:
>>
>> yea, nice..
>>
>>
>> --
>> Marco Donnarumma
>> New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer,
>> Teacher, Director.
>> Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team.
>> Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com
>> <http://marcodonnarumma.com/>
>> Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com
>> <http://res.marcodonnarumma.com/>
>> Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net
>> <http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net/>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 10:28 PM, Andr?s Mur?nyi
>> <muranyia at gmail.com <mailto:muranyia at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 10:18 PM, Andr?s Mur?nyi
>> <muranyia at gmail.com <mailto:muranyia at gmail.com>>
>> wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 12:53 AM, Marco
>> Donnarumma <devel at thesaddj.com
>> <mailto:devel at thesaddj.com>> wrote:
>>
>> if I remember correctly, adding something
>> to a page might be tricky (at least with
>> this version of Plone, the only I know).
>> I will look into it, although I don't
>> have much time at the moment, so anybody
>> who wants to chip in before me is welcome :)
>>
>>
>> Let me into the Zope Management Interface and
>> I'll try to tame the old beast.
>>
>> Andr?s
>>
>>
>> Oh! Just noticed the fresh changes. The links on
>> the top of the right column are cooler then I
>> thought (ie both links are there), bravo!
>> As for the menu, I'd suggest "Downloads" instead
>> of "Download" then.
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> Pdweb at iem.at <mailto:Pdweb at iem.at>
>> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pdweb
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Cool, thanks for the help!
Framapad is nice but I have to tell I'm not very self-confident with the
French interface... not intimidated though :)
I've made a new revision, based on these thoughts:
- "Starting from a blank page" is needless to say, and it doesn't always
apply
- "You" sounds a bit ad-like, let's substitute the target groups right here
- Let's try to make up the sentence without parentheses
- Let's omit the parts which are not essential ("e.g. "all over the world")
- Added a few uses (sorry MIDI is my sweetheart)

I'm not sure about the "Pd is suitable for..." sentence, especially the
expression "production-safe"... Let's talk about it.

Andr?s


On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 12:32 PM, Nicolas Montgermont <
nicolas_montgermont at yahoo.fr> wrote:

> If you don't mind, I've switched to framapad that doesn't need any
> account to edit:
> http://lite.framapad.org/p/HtIWJQZv7m
> and started to rewrite the first paragraph:
> *
> Pure Data* (aka Pd) is an open source visual programming language used
> for multimedia processing. Starting from a blank page, you graphically
> create your own software to design realtime multimedia creation (sound,
> video, 3D), physical interfacing (sensors, 3D camera, joystick), motor
> control, network communications or any other data computing. Pd is widely
> used all over the world by a community of people coming from different
> fields: musicians, visual artist, researchers, developers, performers,
> spectacle technicians...
>
> I think it lacks an ending...
> let's finish it together!
> n
>
> Le 20/11/12 19:41, Marco Donnarumma a ?crit :
>
> great Andr?s, thanks.
>
> I agree with HC, we should be more radical, and focus the first paragraph
> on a very simple and concise statement on what Pd does, and who is
> interested in using it (see processing and max example posted by HC).
>
> - what it does (sound, image, www, for installation, performances,
> concerts, interactive scenery, etc... let's use some keywords here)
> - who find it useful (artist, programmers, musicians, video artist, dance
> company, hardware makers because it's so portable)
> - where to get it (your paragraph looks very good to me)
> - who did it and why
>
> that should be more than enough...
> my 2cents!
>
> cheers,
>
> --
> Marco Donnarumma
> New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director.
> Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team.
> Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com
> Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com
> Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 5:20 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner <hans at at.or.at>wrote:
>
>>
>> That's steps in the right direction, for sure. I think you should take
>> a more radical approach: start writing things from scratch, then use the
>> old one as a source for some text here and there.
>>
>> The current text does a terrible job of explaining to total newbies
>> what Pd is and why they might be interested. The Processing blurb is
>> decent:
>>
>> "Processing is an open source programming language and environment for
>> people who want to create images, animations, and interactions. Initially
>> developed to serve as a software sketchbook and to teach fundamentals of
>> computer programming within a visual context, Processing also has evolved
>> into a tool for generating finished professional work. Today, there are
>> tens of thousands of students, artists, designers, researchers, and
>> hobbyists who use Processing for learning, prototyping, and production."
>> http://processing.org/
>>
>>
>> Max/MSP is worth looking at too:
>>
>> "For over twenty years, Max has been used by performers, artists, and
>> composers to make cutting-edge work by connecting basic functional blocks
>> together into unique applications. Max gives you the parts to make your own
>> music, sound, video, and interactive media applications. Simply add objects
>> to a visual canvas and connect them together to make noise, experiment, and
>> play." http://cycling74.com/products/max/
>>
>>
>> .hc
>>
>> On Nov 17, 2012, at 2:21 PM, Andr?s Mur?nyi wrote:
>>
>> Sirs,
>>
>> I've made a proposal, please take a look and comment:
>>
>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1VrM68BbNvi0VrPaLv3__C_wvNgxd5KK2Pp3Ci_1V17s/edit
>> (comments are enabled, editing is disabled, please start a new doc for
>> eventual revisions)
>>
>> Andr?s
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 11:40 AM, Nicolas Montgermont <
>> nicolas_montgermont at yahoo.fr> wrote:
>>
>>> We had a discussion in march about the home text:
>>> http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pdweb/2012-03/000843.html
>>> it stopped too early :)
>>> This may be a base to start
>>> n
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>> *De :* Marco Donnarumma <devel at thesaddj.com>
>>> *? :* Andr?s Mur?nyi <muranyia at gmail.com>
>>> *Cc :* "pdweb at iem.at Web" <pdweb at iem.at>
>>> *Envoy? le :* Dimanche 11 novembre 2012 16h56
>>> *Objet :* Re: [Pdweb] rename "download Pd" to "Downloads"
>>>
>>> good idea, yes, maybe send us your content, this list has way less
>>> members than the others,
>>> so we can edit collaboratively/agree on things quite fast.
>>>
>>> thanks!
>>>
>>> --
>>> Marco Donnarumma
>>> New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director.
>>> Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team.
>>> Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London
>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>> Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com
>>> Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com
>>> Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 3:34 PM, Andr?s Mur?nyi <muranyia at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>> Now I'd just enrich the intro text on the main page with some direct
>>> links (for RJDJ, LibPd and whatever is mentioned there) and I think a tiny
>>> bit of clarification is missing about Vanilla (currently mentioned as "The
>>> Core of Pd) and extended (not mentioned at all). If there are no
>>> objections, I'll commit directly to the page, otherwise I'll post a revised
>>> version here first.
>>>
>>> Andr?s
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 12:28 PM, Marco Donnarumma <devel at thesaddj.com>wrote:
>>>
>>> yea, nice..
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Marco Donnarumma
>>> New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director.
>>> Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team.
>>> Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London
>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>> Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com
>>> Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com
>>> Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 10:28 PM, Andr?s Mur?nyi <muranyia at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>> On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 10:18 PM, Andr?s Mur?nyi <muranyia at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>> On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 12:53 AM, Marco Donnarumma <devel at thesaddj.com>wrote:
>>>
>>> if I remember correctly, adding something to a page might be tricky (at
>>> least with this version of Plone, the only I know).
>>> I will look into it, although I don't have much time at the moment, so
>>> anybody who wants to chip in before me is welcome :)
>>>
>>>
>>> Let me into the Zope Management Interface and I'll try to tame the old
>>> beast.
>>>
>>> Andr?s
>>>
>>>
>>> Oh! Just noticed the fresh changes. The links on the top of the right
>>> column are cooler then I thought (ie both links are there), bravo!
>>> As for the menu, I'd suggest "Downloads" instead of "Download" then.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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2012-11-29 11:02:49 UTC
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hey folks, where can i add my edits?


--
Marco Donnarumma
New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director.
Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team.
Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com
Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com
Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net


On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 7:20 PM, Andr?s Mur?nyi <muranyia at gmail.com> wrote:

> Cool, thanks for the help!
> Framapad is nice but I have to tell I'm not very self-confident with the
> French interface... not intimidated though :)
> I've made a new revision, based on these thoughts:
> - "Starting from a blank page" is needless to say, and it doesn't always
> apply
> - "You" sounds a bit ad-like, let's substitute the target groups right here
> - Let's try to make up the sentence without parentheses
> - Let's omit the parts which are not essential ("e.g. "all over the world")
> - Added a few uses (sorry MIDI is my sweetheart)
>
> I'm not sure about the "Pd is suitable for..." sentence, especially the
> expression "production-safe"... Let's talk about it.
>
> Andr?s
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 12:32 PM, Nicolas Montgermont <
> nicolas_montgermont at yahoo.fr> wrote:
>
>> If you don't mind, I've switched to framapad that doesn't need any
>> account to edit:
>> http://lite.framapad.org/p/HtIWJQZv7m
>> and started to rewrite the first paragraph:
>> *
>> Pure Data* (aka Pd) is an open source visual programming language used
>> for multimedia processing. Starting from a blank page, you graphically
>> create your own software to design realtime multimedia creation (sound,
>> video, 3D), physical interfacing (sensors, 3D camera, joystick), motor
>> control, network communications or any other data computing. Pd is widely
>> used all over the world by a community of people coming from different
>> fields: musicians, visual artist, researchers, developers, performers,
>> spectacle technicians...
>>
>> I think it lacks an ending...
>> let's finish it together!
>> n
>>
>> Le 20/11/12 19:41, Marco Donnarumma a ?crit :
>>
>> great Andr?s, thanks.
>>
>> I agree with HC, we should be more radical, and focus the first paragraph
>> on a very simple and concise statement on what Pd does, and who is
>> interested in using it (see processing and max example posted by HC).
>>
>> - what it does (sound, image, www, for installation, performances,
>> concerts, interactive scenery, etc... let's use some keywords here)
>> - who find it useful (artist, programmers, musicians, video artist, dance
>> company, hardware makers because it's so portable)
>> - where to get it (your paragraph looks very good to me)
>> - who did it and why
>>
>> that should be more than enough...
>> my 2cents!
>>
>> cheers,
>>
>> --
>> Marco Donnarumma
>> New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director.
>> Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team.
>> Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com
>> Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com
>> Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 5:20 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner <hans at at.or.at>wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> That's steps in the right direction, for sure. I think you should
>>> take a more radical approach: start writing things from scratch, then use
>>> the old one as a source for some text here and there.
>>>
>>> The current text does a terrible job of explaining to total newbies
>>> what Pd is and why they might be interested. The Processing blurb is
>>> decent:
>>>
>>> "Processing is an open source programming language and environment for
>>> people who want to create images, animations, and interactions. Initially
>>> developed to serve as a software sketchbook and to teach fundamentals of
>>> computer programming within a visual context, Processing also has evolved
>>> into a tool for generating finished professional work. Today, there are
>>> tens of thousands of students, artists, designers, researchers, and
>>> hobbyists who use Processing for learning, prototyping, and production."
>>> http://processing.org/
>>>
>>>
>>> Max/MSP is worth looking at too:
>>>
>>> "For over twenty years, Max has been used by performers, artists, and
>>> composers to make cutting-edge work by connecting basic functional blocks
>>> together into unique applications. Max gives you the parts to make your own
>>> music, sound, video, and interactive media applications. Simply add objects
>>> to a visual canvas and connect them together to make noise, experiment, and
>>> play." http://cycling74.com/products/max/
>>>
>>>
>>> .hc
>>>
>>> On Nov 17, 2012, at 2:21 PM, Andr?s Mur?nyi wrote:
>>>
>>> Sirs,
>>>
>>> I've made a proposal, please take a look and comment:
>>>
>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1VrM68BbNvi0VrPaLv3__C_wvNgxd5KK2Pp3Ci_1V17s/edit
>>> (comments are enabled, editing is disabled, please start a new doc for
>>> eventual revisions)
>>>
>>> Andr?s
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 11:40 AM, Nicolas Montgermont <
>>> nicolas_montgermont at yahoo.fr> wrote:
>>>
>>>> We had a discussion in march about the home text:
>>>> http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pdweb/2012-03/000843.html
>>>> it stopped too early :)
>>>> This may be a base to start
>>>> n
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>> *De :* Marco Donnarumma <devel at thesaddj.com>
>>>> *? :* Andr?s Mur?nyi <muranyia at gmail.com>
>>>> *Cc :* "pdweb at iem.at Web" <pdweb at iem.at>
>>>> *Envoy? le :* Dimanche 11 novembre 2012 16h56
>>>> *Objet :* Re: [Pdweb] rename "download Pd" to "Downloads"
>>>>
>>>> good idea, yes, maybe send us your content, this list has way less
>>>> members than the others,
>>>> so we can edit collaboratively/agree on things quite fast.
>>>>
>>>> thanks!
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Marco Donnarumma
>>>> New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director.
>>>> Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team.
>>>> Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London
>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>> Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com
>>>> Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com
>>>> Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 3:34 PM, Andr?s Mur?nyi <muranyia at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Now I'd just enrich the intro text on the main page with some direct
>>>> links (for RJDJ, LibPd and whatever is mentioned there) and I think a tiny
>>>> bit of clarification is missing about Vanilla (currently mentioned as "The
>>>> Core of Pd) and extended (not mentioned at all). If there are no
>>>> objections, I'll commit directly to the page, otherwise I'll post a revised
>>>> version here first.
>>>>
>>>> Andr?s
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 12:28 PM, Marco Donnarumma <devel at thesaddj.com>wrote:
>>>>
>>>> yea, nice..
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Marco Donnarumma
>>>> New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director.
>>>> Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team.
>>>> Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London
>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>> Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com
>>>> Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com
>>>> Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 10:28 PM, Andr?s Mur?nyi <muranyia at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 10:18 PM, Andr?s Mur?nyi <muranyia at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 12:53 AM, Marco Donnarumma <devel at thesaddj.com>wrote:
>>>>
>>>> if I remember correctly, adding something to a page might be tricky (at
>>>> least with this version of Plone, the only I know).
>>>> I will look into it, although I don't have much time at the moment, so
>>>> anybody who wants to chip in before me is welcome :)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Let me into the Zope Management Interface and I'll try to tame the old
>>>> beast.
>>>>
>>>> Andr?s
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Oh! Just noticed the fresh changes. The links on the top of the right
>>>> column are cooler then I thought (ie both links are there), bravo!
>>>> As for the menu, I'd suggest "Downloads" instead of "Download" then.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>
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> Pdweb mailing list
> Pdweb at iem.at
> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pdweb
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2012-11-29 13:47:59 UTC
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On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 12:02 PM, Marco Donnarumma <devel at thesaddj.com>wrote:

> hey folks, where can i add my edits?
>
>
Just go to http://lite.framapad.org/p/HtIWJQZv7m and edit away...
You can set your nick clicking on the avatar (top right corner).
It will automatically set a unique color for you, and the clock icon lets
you see previous revisions. (BTW what does the star icon do?)

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2012-11-29 17:04:51 UTC
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Sorry for the french interface,
I thought it was localized...
I've moved everything on an english piratepad:
http://piratepad.net/pPEAhgQS00

so let's forget about framapad and use this one instead.

best,
n





________________________________
De?: Andr?s Mur?nyi <muranyia at gmail.com>
??: pdweb at iem.at
Envoy? le : Jeudi 29 novembre 2012 14h47
Objet?: Re: [Pdweb] front page text (was: rename "download Pd" to "Downloads")


On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 12:02 PM, Marco Donnarumma <devel at thesaddj.com> wrote:

hey folks, where can i add my edits?
>
>
Just go to http://lite.framapad.org/p/HtIWJQZv7m and edit away...
You can set your nick clicking on the avatar (top right corner).
It will automatically set a unique color for you, and the clock icon lets you see previous revisions. (BTW what does the star icon do?)

Andr?s

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Marco Donnarumma
2012-11-30 10:24:03 UTC
Permalink
cool, thanks Nicolas.
I just reworded and added a few keywords here and there. You can see it on
the pad, meanwhile, what about it:

*Pure Data* (aka Pd) is an open source visual programming language. Pd
enables musicians, visual artists, performers, researchers, and developers
to graphically create software. It is an ideal tool for those who wish to
learn how to process data from a varied range of media without writing
strings of code. Pd software is used to process and generate sound,
video,2D/3D graphics,andinterfac
e sensors, input devices, and MIDI. Pd can easily work over locale and
remote networks so to integrate wearable technology, motor systems,
lighting rigs, and other equipment. Pd is fully cross-platform, it is used
to realise interactive artworks on laptop and smartphones, as well as to
handle complex networked systems for large-scale projects.

cheers,

--
Marco Donnarumma
New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director.
Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team.
Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com
Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com
Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net


On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 5:04 PM, Nicolas Montgermont <
nicolas_montgermont at yahoo.fr> wrote:

> Sorry for the french interface,
> I thought it was localized...
> I've moved everything on an english piratepad:
> http://piratepad.net/pPEAhgQS00
>
> so let's forget about framapad and use this one instead.
>
> best,
> n
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *De :* Andr?s Mur?nyi <muranyia at gmail.com>
> *? :* pdweb at iem.at
> *Envoy? le :* Jeudi 29 novembre 2012 14h47
> *Objet :* Re: [Pdweb] front page text (was: rename "download Pd" to
> "Downloads")
>
> On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 12:02 PM, Marco Donnarumma <devel at thesaddj.com>wrote:
>
> hey folks, where can i add my edits?
>
>
> Just go to http://lite.framapad.org/p/HtIWJQZv7m and edit away...
> You can set your nick clicking on the avatar (top right corner).
> It will automatically set a unique color for you, and the clock icon lets
> you see previous revisions. (BTW what does the star icon do?)
>
> Andr?s
>
> _______________________________________________
> Pdweb mailing list
> Pdweb at iem.at
> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pdweb
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Pdweb mailing list
> Pdweb at iem.at
> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pdweb
>
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Hans-Christoph Steiner
2012-12-01 02:50:27 UTC
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This is looking much better, here's my quick edit:

Pure Data (aka Pd) is an open source visual programming language. Pd enables musicians, visual artists, performers, researchers, and developers to graphically create software. It is an ideal tool for those who wish to learn how to process data from a varied range of media without writing lines and lines of text. Pd is used to process and generate sound, video, 2D/3D graphics, sensor data, input devices, MIDI and more. Pd can easily work over local and remote networks so to integrate wearable technology, motor systems, lighting rigs, and other equipment. Pd is fully cross-platform, it is used to realize interactive artworks on desktop and mobile, as well as to handle complex networked systems for large-scale projects.


.hc

On Nov 30, 2012, at 5:24 AM, Marco Donnarumma wrote:

> cool, thanks Nicolas.
> I just reworded and added a few keywords here and there. You can see it on the pad, meanwhile, what about it:
>
> Pure Data (aka Pd) is an open source visual programming language. Pd enables musicians, visual artists, performers, researchers, and developers to graphically create software. It is an ideal tool for those who wish to learn how to process data from a varied range of media without writing strings of code. Pd software is used to process and generate sound, video, 2D/3D graphics, and interface sensors, input devices, and MIDI. Pd can easily work over locale and remote networks so to integrate wearable technology, motor systems, lighting rigs, and other equipment. Pd is fully cross-platform, it is used to realise interactive artworks on laptop and smartphones, as well as to handle complex networked systems for large-scale projects.
>
> cheers,
>
> --
> Marco Donnarumma
> New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director.
> Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team.
> Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com
> Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com
> Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 5:04 PM, Nicolas Montgermont <nicolas_montgermont at yahoo.fr> wrote:
> Sorry for the french interface,
> I thought it was localized...
> I've moved everything on an english piratepad:
> http://piratepad.net/pPEAhgQS00
>
> so let's forget about framapad and use this one instead.
>
> best,
> n
>
>
>
> De : Andr?s Mur?nyi <muranyia at gmail.com>
> ? : pdweb at iem.at
> Envoy? le : Jeudi 29 novembre 2012 14h47
> Objet : Re: [Pdweb] front page text (was: rename "download Pd" to "Downloads")
>
> On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 12:02 PM, Marco Donnarumma <devel at thesaddj.com> wrote:
> hey folks, where can i add my edits?
>
>
> Just go to http://lite.framapad.org/p/HtIWJQZv7m and edit away...
> You can set your nick clicking on the avatar (top right corner).
> It will automatically set a unique color for you, and the clock icon lets you see previous revisions. (BTW what does the star icon do?)
>
> Andr?s
>
> _______________________________________________
> Pdweb mailing list
> Pdweb at iem.at
> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pdweb
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Pdweb at iem.at
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2012-12-01 12:06:20 UTC
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looks good thanks!


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New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director.
Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team.
Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com
Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com
Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net


On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 2:50 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner <hans at at.or.at>wrote:

>
> This is looking much better, here's my quick edit:
>
> *Pure Data* (aka Pd) is an open source visual programming language. Pd
> enables musicians, visual artists, performers, researchers, and
> developers to graphically create software. It is an ideal tool for those
> who wish to learn how to process data from a varied range of media without
> writing lines and lines of text. Pd is used to process and generate sound,
> video, 2D/3D graphics, sensor data, input devices, MIDI and more. Pd can
> easily work over local and remote networks so to integrate wearable
> technology, motor systems, lighting rigs, and other equipment. Pd is
> fully cross-platform, it is used to realize interactive artworks on desktop
> and mobile, as well as to handle complex networked systems for large-scale
> projects.
>
>
> .hc
>
> On Nov 30, 2012, at 5:24 AM, Marco Donnarumma wrote:
>
> cool, thanks Nicolas.
> I just reworded and added a few keywords here and there. You can see it on
> the pad, meanwhile, what about it:
>
> *Pure Data* (aka Pd) is an open source visual programming language. Pd
> enables musicians, visual artists, performers, researchers, and
> developers to graphically create software. It is an ideal tool for those
> who wish to learn how to process data from a varied range of media without
> writing strings of code. Pd software is used to process and generate
> sound, video, 2D/3D graphics, and interface sensors, input devices, and
> MIDI. Pd can easily work over locale and remote networks so to integrate
> wearable technology, motor systems, lighting rigs, and other equipment.
> Pd is fully cross-platform, it is used to realise interactive artworks on
> laptop and smartphones, as well as to handle complex networked systems for
> large-scale projects.
>
> cheers,
>
> --
> Marco Donnarumma
> New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director.
> Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team.
> Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com
> Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com
> Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 5:04 PM, Nicolas Montgermont <
> nicolas_montgermont at yahoo.fr> wrote:
>
>> Sorry for the french interface,
>> I thought it was localized...
>> I've moved everything on an english piratepad:
>> http://piratepad.net/pPEAhgQS00
>>
>> so let's forget about framapad and use this one instead.
>>
>> best,
>> n
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> *De :* Andr?s Mur?nyi <muranyia at gmail.com>
>> *? :* pdweb at iem.at
>> *Envoy? le :* Jeudi 29 novembre 2012 14h47
>> *Objet :* Re: [Pdweb] front page text (was: rename "download Pd" to
>> "Downloads")
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 12:02 PM, Marco Donnarumma <devel at thesaddj.com>wrote:
>>
>> hey folks, where can i add my edits?
>>
>>
>> Just go to http://lite.framapad.org/p/HtIWJQZv7m and edit away...
>> You can set your nick clicking on the avatar (top right corner).
>> It will automatically set a unique color for you, and the clock icon lets
>> you see previous revisions. (BTW what does the star icon do?)
>>
>> Andr?s
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Pdweb mailing list
>> Pdweb at iem.at
>> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pdweb
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Pdweb mailing list
>> Pdweb at iem.at
>> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pdweb
>>
>>
> _______________________________________________
> Pdweb mailing list
> Pdweb at iem.at
> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pdweb
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I've made an update to the text. Deleted repetitions (eg.: multiplatform),
the "ideal tool" expression (let's keep it cool :o) and moved the remark
about learning back to the end. I'm happy with the other changes that have
been made, so when you guys feel the same, we may want to move towards
publishing.

Andr?s

On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 1:06 PM, Marco Donnarumma <devel at thesaddj.com> wrote:

> looks good thanks!
>
>
>
> --
> Marco Donnarumma
> New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director.
> Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team.
> Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com
> Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com
> Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net
>
>
> On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 2:50 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner <hans at at.or.at>wrote:
>
>>
>> This is looking much better, here's my quick edit:
>>
>> *Pure Data* (aka Pd) is an open source visual programming language. Pd
>> enables musicians, visual artists, performers, researchers, and
>> developers to graphically create software. It is an ideal tool for those
>> who wish to learn how to process data from a varied range of media without
>> writing lines and lines of text. Pd is used to process and generate sound,
>> video, 2D/3D graphics, sensor data, input devices, MIDI and more. Pd can
>> easily work over local and remote networks so to integrate wearable
>> technology, motor systems, lighting rigs, and other equipment. Pd is
>> fully cross-platform, it is used to realize interactive artworks on desktop
>> and mobile, as well as to handle complex networked systems for large-scale
>> projects.
>>
>>
>> .hc
>>
>> On Nov 30, 2012, at 5:24 AM, Marco Donnarumma wrote:
>>
>> cool, thanks Nicolas.
>> I just reworded and added a few keywords here and there. You can see it
>> on the pad, meanwhile, what about it:
>>
>> *Pure Data* (aka Pd) is an open source visual programming language. Pd
>> enables musicians, visual artists, performers, researchers, and
>> developers to graphically create software. It is an ideal tool for those
>> who wish to learn how to process data from a varied range of media without
>> writing strings of code. Pd software is used to process and generate
>> sound, video, 2D/3D graphics, and interface sensors, input devices, and
>> MIDI. Pd can easily work over locale and remote networks so to integrate
>> wearable technology, motor systems, lighting rigs, and other equipment.
>> Pd is fully cross-platform, it is used to realise interactive artworks on
>> laptop and smartphones, as well as to handle complex networked systems for
>> large-scale projects.
>>
>> cheers,
>>
>> --
>> Marco Donnarumma
>> New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director.
>> Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team.
>> Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com
>> Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com
>> Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 5:04 PM, Nicolas Montgermont <
>> nicolas_montgermont at yahoo.fr> wrote:
>>
>>> Sorry for the french interface,
>>> I thought it was localized...
>>> I've moved everything on an english piratepad:
>>> http://piratepad.net/pPEAhgQS00
>>>
>>> so let's forget about framapad and use this one instead.
>>>
>>> best,
>>> n
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>> *De :* Andr?s Mur?nyi <muranyia at gmail.com>
>>> *? :* pdweb at iem.at
>>> *Envoy? le :* Jeudi 29 novembre 2012 14h47
>>> *Objet :* Re: [Pdweb] front page text (was: rename "download Pd" to
>>> "Downloads")
>>>
>>> On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 12:02 PM, Marco Donnarumma <devel at thesaddj.com>wrote:
>>>
>>> hey folks, where can i add my edits?
>>>
>>>
>>> Just go to http://lite.framapad.org/p/HtIWJQZv7m and edit away...
>>> You can set your nick clicking on the avatar (top right corner).
>>> It will automatically set a unique color for you, and the clock icon
>>> lets you see previous revisions. (BTW what does the star icon do?)
>>>
>>> Andr?s
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Pdweb mailing list
>>> Pdweb at iem.at
>>> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pdweb
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Pdweb mailing list
>>> Pdweb at iem.at
>>> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pdweb
>>>
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Pdweb mailing list
>> Pdweb at iem.at
>> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pdweb
>>
>>
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Pdweb mailing list
> Pdweb at iem.at
> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pdweb
>
>


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Marco Donnarumma
2013-01-23 02:03:06 UTC
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feels good for me!


--
Marco Donnarumma
New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director.
Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team.
Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com
Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com
Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net


On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 5:21 PM, Andr?s Mur?nyi <muranyia at gmail.com> wrote:

> I've made an update to the text. Deleted repetitions (eg.: multiplatform),
> the "ideal tool" expression (let's keep it cool :o) and moved the remark
> about learning back to the end. I'm happy with the other changes that have
> been made, so when you guys feel the same, we may want to move towards
> publishing.
>
> Andr?s
>
>
> On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 1:06 PM, Marco Donnarumma <devel at thesaddj.com>wrote:
>
>> looks good thanks!
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Marco Donnarumma
>> New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director.
>> Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team.
>> Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com
>> Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com
>> Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 2:50 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner <hans at at.or.at>wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> This is looking much better, here's my quick edit:
>>>
>>> *Pure Data* (aka Pd) is an open source visual programming language. Pd
>>> enables musicians, visual artists, performers, researchers, and
>>> developers to graphically create software. It is an ideal tool for
>>> those who wish to learn how to process data from a varied range of media
>>> without writing lines and lines of text. Pd is used to process and
>>> generate sound, video, 2D/3D graphics, sensor data, input devices, MIDI
>>> and more. Pd can easily work over local and remote networks so to integrate
>>> wearable technology, motor systems, lighting rigs, and other equipment.
>>> Pd is fully cross-platform, it is used to realize interactive artworks
>>> on desktop and mobile, as well as to handle complex networked systems for
>>> large-scale projects.
>>>
>>>
>>> .hc
>>>
>>> On Nov 30, 2012, at 5:24 AM, Marco Donnarumma wrote:
>>>
>>> cool, thanks Nicolas.
>>> I just reworded and added a few keywords here and there. You can see it
>>> on the pad, meanwhile, what about it:
>>>
>>> *Pure Data* (aka Pd) is an open source visual programming language. Pd
>>> enables musicians, visual artists, performers, researchers, and
>>> developers to graphically create software. It is an ideal tool for
>>> those who wish to learn how to process data from a varied range of media
>>> without writing strings of code. Pd software is used to process andgenerat
>>> e sound, video, 2D/3D graphics, and interface sensors, input devices, and
>>> MIDI. Pd can easily work over locale and remote networks so to integrate
>>> wearable technology, motor systems, lighting rigs, and other equipment.
>>> Pd is fully cross-platform, it is used to realise interactive artworks on
>>> laptop and smartphones, as well as to handle complex networked systems for
>>> large-scale projects.
>>>
>>> cheers,
>>>
>>> --
>>> Marco Donnarumma
>>> New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director.
>>> Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team.
>>> Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London
>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>> Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com
>>> Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com
>>> Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 5:04 PM, Nicolas Montgermont <
>>> nicolas_montgermont at yahoo.fr> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Sorry for the french interface,
>>>> I thought it was localized...
>>>> I've moved everything on an english piratepad:
>>>> http://piratepad.net/pPEAhgQS00
>>>>
>>>> so let's forget about framapad and use this one instead.
>>>>
>>>> best,
>>>> n
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>> *De :* Andr?s Mur?nyi <muranyia at gmail.com>
>>>> *? :* pdweb at iem.at
>>>> *Envoy? le :* Jeudi 29 novembre 2012 14h47
>>>> *Objet :* Re: [Pdweb] front page text (was: rename "download Pd" to
>>>> "Downloads")
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 12:02 PM, Marco Donnarumma <devel at thesaddj.com>wrote:
>>>>
>>>> hey folks, where can i add my edits?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Just go to http://lite.framapad.org/p/HtIWJQZv7m and edit away...
>>>> You can set your nick clicking on the avatar (top right corner).
>>>> It will automatically set a unique color for you, and the clock icon
>>>> lets you see previous revisions. (BTW what does the star icon do?)
>>>>
>>>> Andr?s
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Pdweb mailing list
>>>> Pdweb at iem.at
>>>> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pdweb
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Pdweb mailing list
>>>> Pdweb at iem.at
>>>> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pdweb
>>>>
>>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Pdweb mailing list
>>> Pdweb at iem.at
>>> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pdweb
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Pdweb mailing list
>> Pdweb at iem.at
>> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pdweb
>>
>>
>
>
> --
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Nicolas Montgermont
2013-01-23 11:04:07 UTC
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cool,

I've rewritten the second paragraph as well.
English should be checked...
I think we miss a simple paragraph between 1st and 2nd on what is graphical programming.
And we need to rewrite the actual 3th and 4th in one.
The fifth could be extended with a little introduction on what are the sections of this site.

best,
n





________________________________
De?: Marco Donnarumma <devel at thesaddj.com>
??: Andr?s Mur?nyi <muranyia at gmail.com>
Cc?: "pdweb at iem.at" <pdweb at iem.at>
Envoy? le : Mercredi 23 janvier 2013 3h03
Objet?: Re: [Pdweb] front page text (was: rename "download Pd" to "Downloads")


feels good for me!



--
Marco Donnarumma
New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director.
Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team.
Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com
Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com
Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net


On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 5:21 PM, Andr?s Mur?nyi <muranyia at gmail.com> wrote:

I've made an update to the text. Deleted repetitions (eg.: multiplatform), the "ideal tool" expression (let's keep it cool :o) and moved the remark about learning back to the end. I'm happy with the other changes that have been made, so when you guys feel the same, we may want to move towards publishing.
>
>Andr?s
>
>
>
>On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 1:06 PM, Marco Donnarumma <devel at thesaddj.com> wrote:
>
>looks good thanks!
>>
>>
>>
>>--
>>Marco Donnarumma
>>New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director.
>>Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team.
>>Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London
>>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com
>>Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com
>>Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net
>>
>>
>>
>>On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 2:50 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner <hans at at.or.at> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>
>>>This is looking much better, here's my quick edit:
>>>
>>>
>>>Pure Data?(aka Pd) is an open source visual programming language. Pd enables musicians, visual artists, performers, researchers,?and? developers to graphically create software. It is an ideal tool for those who wish to learn how to process data from a varied range of media without writing lines and lines of text. Pd is used to?process?and?generate?sound, video,?2D/3D graphics,?sensor data, input devices,?MIDI and more. Pd can easily work over local and remote?networks?so to?integrate wearable technology,?motor?systems, lighting?rigs,?and other equipment. Pd is fully cross-platform, it is used to realize interactive artworks on?desktop and mobile, as well as to handle complex networked systems for large-scale projects.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>.hc
>>>
>>>
>>>On Nov 30, 2012, at 5:24 AM, Marco Donnarumma wrote:
>>>
>>>cool, thanks Nicolas.
>>>>I just reworded and added a few keywords here and there. You can see it on the pad, meanwhile, what about it:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Pure Data(aka Pd) is an open source visual programming language. Pd enables musicians, visual artists, performers, researchers,and? developers to graphically create software. It is an ideal tool for those who wish to learn how to process data
from a varied range of media without writing strings of code. Pd
software is used toprocess andgenerate? sound, video,2D/3D graphics,andinterfacesensors, input devices,? and MIDI. Pd can easily work over locale and remotenetworksso tointegrate wearable technology,motorsystems, lighting rigs, and other equipment. Pd is fully cross-platform, it is used to realise interactive artworks
on laptop and smartphones, as well as to handle complex networked
systems for large-scale projects.
>>>>
>>>>cheers,
>>>>
>>>>--
>>>>Marco Donnarumma
>>>>New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director.
>>>>Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team.
>>>>Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London
>>>>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>>Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com
>>>>Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com
>>>>Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 5:04 PM, Nicolas Montgermont <nicolas_montgermont at yahoo.fr> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Sorry for the french interface,
>>>>>I thought it was localized...
>>>>>I've moved everything on an english piratepad:
>>>>>http://piratepad.net/pPEAhgQS00
>>>>>
>>>>>so let's forget about framapad and use this one instead.
>>>>>
>>>>>best,
>>>>>n
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>________________________________
>>>>> De?: Andr?s Mur?nyi <muranyia at gmail.com>
>>>>>??: pdweb at iem.at
>>>>>Envoy? le : Jeudi 29 novembre 2012 14h47
>>>>>Objet?: Re: [Pdweb] front page text (was: rename "download Pd" to "Downloads")
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 12:02 PM, Marco Donnarumma <devel at thesaddj.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>hey folks, where can i add my edits?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>Just go to http://lite.framapad.org/p/HtIWJQZv7m and edit away...
>>>>>You can set your nick clicking on the avatar (top right corner).
>>>>>It will automatically set a unique color for you, and the clock icon lets you see previous revisions. (BTW what does the star icon do?)
>>>>>
>>>>>Andr?s
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>>Pdweb mailing list
>>>>>Pdweb at iem.at
>>>>>http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pdweb
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>>Pdweb mailing list
>>>>>Pdweb at iem.at
>>>>>http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pdweb
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>Pdweb mailing list
>>>>Pdweb at iem.at
>>>>http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pdweb
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>Pdweb mailing list
>>Pdweb at iem.at
>>http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pdweb
>>
>>
>
>
>--
>Mur?nyi Andr?s
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>Pdweb at iem.at
>http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pdweb
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Hans-Christoph Steiner
2013-01-23 17:05:29 UTC
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Sounds good, I say push the updates to the site! :)

.hc

On 01/23/2013 06:04 AM, Nicolas Montgermont wrote:
> cool,
>
> I've rewritten the second paragraph as well.
> English should be checked...
> I think we miss a simple paragraph between 1st and 2nd on what is graphical programming.
> And we need to rewrite the actual 3th and 4th in one.
> The fifth could be extended with a little introduction on what are the sections of this site.
>
> best,
> n
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> De : Marco Donnarumma <devel at thesaddj.com>
> ? : Andr?s Mur?nyi <muranyia at gmail.com>
> Cc : "pdweb at iem.at" <pdweb at iem.at>
> Envoy? le : Mercredi 23 janvier 2013 3h03
> Objet : Re: [Pdweb] front page text (was: rename "download Pd" to "Downloads")
>
>
> feels good for me!
>
>
>
> --
> Marco Donnarumma
> New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director.
> Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team.
> Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com
> Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com
> Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 5:21 PM, Andr?s Mur?nyi <muranyia at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I've made an update to the text. Deleted repetitions (eg.: multiplatform), the "ideal tool" expression (let's keep it cool :o) and moved the remark about learning back to the end. I'm happy with the other changes that have been made, so when you guys feel the same, we may want to move towards publishing.
>>
>> Andr?s
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 1:06 PM, Marco Donnarumma <devel at thesaddj.com> wrote:
>>
>> looks good thanks!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Marco Donnarumma
>>> New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director.
>>> Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team.
>>> Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London
>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>> Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com
>>> Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com
>>> Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 2:50 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner <hans at at.or.at> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> This is looking much better, here's my quick edit:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Pure Data (aka Pd) is an open source visual programming language. Pd enables musicians, visual artists, performers, researchers, and developers to graphically create software. It is an ideal tool for those who wish to learn how to process data from a varied range of media without writing lines and lines of text. Pd is used to process and generate sound, video, 2D/3D graphics, sensor data, input devices, MIDI and more. Pd can easily work over local and remote networks so to integrate wearable technology, motor systems, lighting rigs, and other equipment. Pd is fully cross-platform, it is used to realize interactive artworks on desktop and mobile, as well as to handle complex networked systems for large-scale projects.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> .hc
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Nov 30, 2012, at 5:24 AM, Marco Donnarumma wrote:
>>>>
>>>> cool, thanks Nicolas.
>>>>> I just reworded and added a few keywords here and there. You can see it on the pad, meanwhile, what about it:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Pure Data(aka Pd) is an open source visual programming language. Pd enables musicians, visual artists, performers, researchers,and developers to graphically create software. It is an ideal tool for those who wish to learn how to process data
> from a varied range of media without writing strings of code. Pd
> software is used toprocess andgenerate sound, video,2D/3D graphics,andinterfacesensors, input devices, and MIDI. Pd can easily work over locale and remotenetworksso tointegrate wearable technology,motorsystems, lighting rigs, and other equipment. Pd is fully cross-platform, it is used to realise interactive artworks
> on laptop and smartphones, as well as to handle complex networked
> systems for large-scale projects.
>>>>>
>>>>> cheers,
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Marco Donnarumma
>>>>> New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director.
>>>>> Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team.
>>>>> Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London
>>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>>> Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com
>>>>> Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com
>>>>> Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 5:04 PM, Nicolas Montgermont <nicolas_montgermont at yahoo.fr> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Sorry for the french interface,
>>>>>> I thought it was localized...
>>>>>> I've moved everything on an english piratepad:
>>>>>> http://piratepad.net/pPEAhgQS00
>>>>>>
>>>>>> so let's forget about framapad and use this one instead.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> best,
>>>>>> n
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>>> De : Andr?s Mur?nyi <muranyia at gmail.com>
>>>>>> ? : pdweb at iem.at
>>>>>> Envoy? le : Jeudi 29 novembre 2012 14h47
>>>>>> Objet : Re: [Pdweb] front page text (was: rename "download Pd" to "Downloads")
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 12:02 PM, Marco Donnarumma <devel at thesaddj.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> hey folks, where can i add my edits?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just go to http://lite.framapad.org/p/HtIWJQZv7m and edit away...
>>>>>> You can set your nick clicking on the avatar (top right corner).
>>>>>> It will automatically set a unique color for you, and the clock icon lets you see previous revisions. (BTW what does the star icon do?)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Andr?s
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> Pdweb mailing list
>>>>>> Pdweb at iem.at
>>>>>> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pdweb
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> Pdweb mailing list
>>>>>> Pdweb at iem.at
>>>>>> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pdweb
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Pdweb mailing list
>>>>> Pdweb at iem.at
>>>>> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pdweb
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Pdweb mailing list
>>> Pdweb at iem.at
>>> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pdweb
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Mur?nyi Andr?s
>> _______________________________________________
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>> Pdweb at iem.at
>> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pdweb
>>
>>
>
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> Pdweb at iem.at
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>
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András Murányi
2013-01-23 19:16:02 UTC
Permalink
I think the first paragraph is lovely and we shall keep it as it is, to
avoid extra iterations.
I don't wholeheartedly agree with the rewrite of the 2nd paragraph: the
points about pd being free and being available in source are missing now,
as well as a the point that pd-extended is more than vanilla+externals but
it's also patched. Also, afaik, vanilla is not "written by" Miller but
rather "maintained" by him as it contains code from various authors. So, at
the end, I personally prefer how this paragraphed looked before the last
commit.
All this work being quite subjective (as it is free text not program code)
*please* give some reasons/rationale when you make change changes: why did
you do what you did, what is the improvement? Otherwise we might just keep
changing until the end of times :o)
I don't think we need the extra paragraph about graphical programming, but
a picture of an actual patch would tell a lot (without words).
I don't support mixing the 3rd and the 4th paragraph either - they are two
different points (extendability, history).

Andr?s


On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 6:05 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner <hans at at.or.at>wrote:

>
> Sounds good, I say push the updates to the site! :)
>
> .hc
>
> On 01/23/2013 06:04 AM, Nicolas Montgermont wrote:
> > cool,
> >
> > I've rewritten the second paragraph as well.
> > English should be checked...
> > I think we miss a simple paragraph between 1st and 2nd on what is
> graphical programming.
> > And we need to rewrite the actual 3th and 4th in one.
> > The fifth could be extended with a little introduction on what are the
> sections of this site.
> >
> > best,
> > n
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > De : Marco Donnarumma <devel at thesaddj.com>
> > ? : Andr?s Mur?nyi <muranyia at gmail.com>
> > Cc : "pdweb at iem.at" <pdweb at iem.at>
> > Envoy? le : Mercredi 23 janvier 2013 3h03
> > Objet : Re: [Pdweb] front page text (was: rename "download Pd" to
> "Downloads")
> >
> >
> > feels good for me!
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Marco Donnarumma
> > New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director.
> > Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team.
> > Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com
> > Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com
> > Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 5:21 PM, Andr?s Mur?nyi <muranyia at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > I've made an update to the text. Deleted repetitions (eg.:
> multiplatform), the "ideal tool" expression (let's keep it cool :o) and
> moved the remark about learning back to the end. I'm happy with the other
> changes that have been made, so when you guys feel the same, we may want to
> move towards publishing.
> >>
> >> Andr?s
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 1:06 PM, Marco Donnarumma <devel at thesaddj.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> looks good thanks!
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Marco Donnarumma
> >>> New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director.
> >>> Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team.
> >>> Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London
> >>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >>> Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com
> >>> Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com
> >>> Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 2:50 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner <hans at at.or.at>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> This is looking much better, here's my quick edit:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Pure Data (aka Pd) is an open source visual programming language. Pd
> enables musicians, visual artists, performers, researchers, and developers
> to graphically create software. It is an ideal tool for those who wish to
> learn how to process data from a varied range of media without writing
> lines and lines of text. Pd is used to process and generate sound, video,
> 2D/3D graphics, sensor data, input devices, MIDI and more. Pd can easily
> work over local and remote networks so to integrate wearable technology,
> motor systems, lighting rigs, and other equipment. Pd is fully
> cross-platform, it is used to realize interactive artworks on desktop and
> mobile, as well as to handle complex networked systems for large-scale
> projects.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> .hc
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Nov 30, 2012, at 5:24 AM, Marco Donnarumma wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> cool, thanks Nicolas.
> >>>>> I just reworded and added a few keywords here and there. You can see
> it on the pad, meanwhile, what about it:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Pure Data(aka Pd) is an open source visual programming language. Pd
> enables musicians, visual artists, performers, researchers,and developers
> to graphically create software. It is an ideal tool for those who wish to
> learn how to process data
> > from a varied range of media without writing strings of code. Pd
> > software is used toprocess andgenerate sound, video,2D/3D
> graphics,andinterfacesensors, input devices, and MIDI. Pd can easily work
> over locale and remotenetworksso tointegrate wearable
> technology,motorsystems, lighting rigs, and other equipment. Pd is fully
> cross-platform, it is used to realise interactive artworks
> > on laptop and smartphones, as well as to handle complex networked
> > systems for large-scale projects.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> cheers,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> Marco Donnarumma
> >>>>> New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director.
> >>>>> Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team.
> >>>>> Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London
> >>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >>>>> Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com
> >>>>> Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com
> >>>>> Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 5:04 PM, Nicolas Montgermont <
> nicolas_montgermont at yahoo.fr> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Sorry for the french interface,
> >>>>>> I thought it was localized...
> >>>>>> I've moved everything on an english piratepad:
> >>>>>> http://piratepad.net/pPEAhgQS00
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> so let's forget about framapad and use this one instead.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> best,
> >>>>>> n
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> ________________________________
> >>>>>> De : Andr?s Mur?nyi <muranyia at gmail.com>
> >>>>>> ? : pdweb at iem.at
> >>>>>> Envoy? le : Jeudi 29 novembre 2012 14h47
> >>>>>> Objet : Re: [Pdweb] front page text (was: rename "download Pd" to
> "Downloads")
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 12:02 PM, Marco Donnarumma <
> devel at thesaddj.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> hey folks, where can i add my edits?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> Just go to http://lite.framapad.org/p/HtIWJQZv7m and edit away...
> >>>>>> You can set your nick clicking on the avatar (top right corner).
> >>>>>> It will automatically set a unique color for you, and the clock
> icon lets you see previous revisions. (BTW what does the star icon do?)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Andr?s
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> _______________________________________________
>
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IOhannes zmölnig
2013-01-23 22:30:42 UTC
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On 01/23/2013 08:16 PM, Andr?s Mur?nyi wrote:
> I think the first paragraph is lovely and we shall keep it as it is, to
> avoid extra iterations.

i find "strings of code" rather confusing....can anybody else hear guitars?


fgarm
IOhannes
Marco Donnarumma
2013-01-23 23:02:44 UTC
Permalink
not at first, but you've got a point there :)

"lines" better?


--
Marco Donnarumma
New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director.
Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team.
Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com
Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com
Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net


On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 4:30 PM, IOhannes zm?lnig <zmoelnig at iem.at> wrote:

> On 01/23/2013 08:16 PM, Andr?s Mur?nyi wrote:
>
>> I think the first paragraph is lovely and we shall keep it as it is, to
>> avoid extra iterations.
>>
>
> i find "strings of code" rather confusing....can anybody else hear guitars?
>
>
> fgarm
> IOhannes
>
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Nicolas Montgermont
2013-01-24 10:19:49 UTC
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Le 23/01/13 20:16, Andr?s Mur?nyi a ?crit :
> I think the first paragraph is lovely and we shall keep it as it is,
> to avoid extra iterations.
> I don't wholeheartedly agree with the rewrite of the 2nd paragraph:
I think as well it must be corrected.
> the points about pd being free and being available in source are
> missing now,
I agree for free. For the sources, as the first line of the text says
it's an open source software, I am not sure it's necessary.
> as well as a the point that pd-extended is more than vanilla+externals
> but it's also patched.
I don't think it's specially relevant when you want to explain
Pd-extended in one line.
> Also, afaik, vanilla is not "written by" Miller but rather
> "maintained" by him as it contains code from various authors.
please edit, I think it's just a question of adding "mainly" somewhere.
> So, at the end, I personally prefer how this paragraphed looked before
> the last commit.
> All this work being quite subjective (as it is free text not program
> code) *please* give some reasons/rationale when you make change
> changes: why did you do what you did, what is the improvement?
> Otherwise we might just keep changing until the end of times :o)
You are right:
What I wanted to do here is trying to equilibrate the informations. I
think it's much more relevant for a newcomer to know what is PD vs Pd
extended, than to know Pd is available for IRIX. For me the text is more
looking like a technical explanation around Pd, than an introduction to
the Pd universe. For example, GEM was not mentionned once in the whole
text, but cyclone was. In the end, it is more an introduction for
developpers, than for users. What I think we must correct. It's a matter
of balancing the informations, and to start from the beginning.
> I don't think we need the extra paragraph about graphical programming,
> but a picture of an actual patch would tell a lot (without words).
I disagree. The whole point of Pd is patching, but the word is only used
once in the text in the sentence:
It is easy to extend Pd by nesting reusable patches ("abstractions") or
by utilising object classes ("externals").

No words are written on what is a patch. And I think it's totally
fundamental.
> I don't support mixing the 3rd and the 4th paragraph either - they are
> two different points (extendability, history).
If you want. IMHO, Pd extendability can be introduced in a sentence
where Pd basic usage needs a paragraph. Max explanations worth a look
for comparisons with pd's:
http://cycling74.com/whatismax/


I think as well the sentence from the 4th paragraph:
The core of Pd (aka Pd Vanilla) is written and maintained by Miller
Puckette and includes the work of many developers, making the whole
package very much a community effort.

is redundant now.

It should be nice to have other opinions on all that?
We are close to publishing :)
Best,
n


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Nicolas Montgermont
2013-01-26 09:37:04 UTC
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updated once agin:
http://piratepad.net/pPEAhgQS00

i've kept the old version down there for comparison, and eventually to
cancel the corrections I've made.
Please edit directly or comment, correct!
best,
n

Le 24/01/13 11:19, Nicolas Montgermont a ?crit :
>
> Le 23/01/13 20:16, Andr?s Mur?nyi a ?crit :
>> I think the first paragraph is lovely and we shall keep it as it is,
>> to avoid extra iterations.
>> I don't wholeheartedly agree with the rewrite of the 2nd paragraph:
> I think as well it must be corrected.
>> the points about pd being free and being available in source are
>> missing now,
> I agree for free. For the sources, as the first line of the text says
> it's an open source software, I am not sure it's necessary.
>> as well as a the point that pd-extended is more than
>> vanilla+externals but it's also patched.
> I don't think it's specially relevant when you want to explain
> Pd-extended in one line.
>> Also, afaik, vanilla is not "written by" Miller but rather
>> "maintained" by him as it contains code from various authors.
> please edit, I think it's just a question of adding "mainly" somewhere.
>> So, at the end, I personally prefer how this paragraphed looked
>> before the last commit.
>> All this work being quite subjective (as it is free text not program
>> code) *please* give some reasons/rationale when you make change
>> changes: why did you do what you did, what is the improvement?
>> Otherwise we might just keep changing until the end of times :o)
> You are right:
> What I wanted to do here is trying to equilibrate the informations. I
> think it's much more relevant for a newcomer to know what is PD vs Pd
> extended, than to know Pd is available for IRIX. For me the text is
> more looking like a technical explanation around Pd, than an
> introduction to the Pd universe. For example, GEM was not mentionned
> once in the whole text, but cyclone was. In the end, it is more an
> introduction for developpers, than for users. What I think we must
> correct. It's a matter of balancing the informations, and to start
> from the beginning.
>> I don't think we need the extra paragraph about graphical
>> programming, but a picture of an actual patch would tell a lot
>> (without words).
> I disagree. The whole point of Pd is patching, but the word is only
> used once in the text in the sentence:
> It is easy to extend Pd by nesting reusable patches ("abstractions")
> or by utilising object classes ("externals").
>
> No words are written on what is a patch. And I think it's totally
> fundamental.
>> I don't support mixing the 3rd and the 4th paragraph either - they
>> are two different points (extendability, history).
> If you want. IMHO, Pd extendability can be introduced in a sentence
> where Pd basic usage needs a paragraph. Max explanations worth a look
> for comparisons with pd's:
> http://cycling74.com/whatismax/
>
>
> I think as well the sentence from the 4th paragraph:
> The core of Pd (aka Pd Vanilla) is written and maintained by Miller
> Puckette and includes the work of many developers, making the whole
> package very much a community effort.
>
> is redundant now.
>
> It should be nice to have other opinions on all that?
> We are close to publishing :)
> Best,
> n
>
>
> --
> http://nim.on.free.fr
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Pdweb at iem.at
> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pdweb

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Nicolas Montgermont
2013-03-14 17:40:18 UTC
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hello all,

it should be nice to have any opinion on that. It's been nearly two
months now.
you can edit directly online or comment here.
Best,
n

Le 26/01/13 10:37, Nicolas Montgermont a ?crit :
> updated once agin:
> http://piratepad.net/pPEAhgQS00
>
> i've kept the old version down there for comparison, and eventually to
> cancel the corrections I've made.
> Please edit directly or comment, correct!
> best,
> n
>
> Le 24/01/13 11:19, Nicolas Montgermont a ?crit :
>>
>> Le 23/01/13 20:16, Andr?s Mur?nyi a ?crit :
>>> I think the first paragraph is lovely and we shall keep it as it is,
>>> to avoid extra iterations.
>>> I don't wholeheartedly agree with the rewrite of the 2nd paragraph:
>> I think as well it must be corrected.
>>> the points about pd being free and being available in source are
>>> missing now,
>> I agree for free. For the sources, as the first line of the text says
>> it's an open source software, I am not sure it's necessary.
>>> as well as a the point that pd-extended is more than
>>> vanilla+externals but it's also patched.
>> I don't think it's specially relevant when you want to explain
>> Pd-extended in one line.
>>> Also, afaik, vanilla is not "written by" Miller but rather
>>> "maintained" by him as it contains code from various authors.
>> please edit, I think it's just a question of adding "mainly" somewhere.
>>> So, at the end, I personally prefer how this paragraphed looked
>>> before the last commit.
>>> All this work being quite subjective (as it is free text not program
>>> code) *please* give some reasons/rationale when you make change
>>> changes: why did you do what you did, what is the improvement?
>>> Otherwise we might just keep changing until the end of times :o)
>> You are right:
>> What I wanted to do here is trying to equilibrate the informations. I
>> think it's much more relevant for a newcomer to know what is PD vs Pd
>> extended, than to know Pd is available for IRIX. For me the text is
>> more looking like a technical explanation around Pd, than an
>> introduction to the Pd universe. For example, GEM was not mentionned
>> once in the whole text, but cyclone was. In the end, it is more an
>> introduction for developpers, than for users. What I think we must
>> correct. It's a matter of balancing the informations, and to start
>> from the beginning.
>>> I don't think we need the extra paragraph about graphical
>>> programming, but a picture of an actual patch would tell a lot
>>> (without words).
>> I disagree. The whole point of Pd is patching, but the word is only
>> used once in the text in the sentence:
>> It is easy to extend Pd by nesting reusable patches ("abstractions")
>> or by utilising object classes ("externals").
>>
>> No words are written on what is a patch. And I think it's totally
>> fundamental.
>>> I don't support mixing the 3rd and the 4th paragraph either - they
>>> are two different points (extendability, history).
>> If you want. IMHO, Pd extendability can be introduced in a sentence
>> where Pd basic usage needs a paragraph. Max explanations worth a look
>> for comparisons with pd's:
>> http://cycling74.com/whatismax/
>>
>>
>> I think as well the sentence from the 4th paragraph:
>> The core of Pd (aka Pd Vanilla) is written and maintained by Miller
>> Puckette and includes the work of many developers, making the whole
>> package very much a community effort.
>>
>> is redundant now.
>>
>> It should be nice to have other opinions on all that?
>> We are close to publishing :)
>> Best,
>> n
>>
>>
>> --
>> http://nim.on.free.fr
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Pdweb mailing list
>> Pdweb at iem.at
>> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pdweb
>
> --
> http://nim.on.free.fr
>
>
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András Murányi
2013-03-28 17:02:47 UTC
Permalink
OK, I've made a light review.
It would be nice if other people took a look too before we settle on it.

Andr?s

On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 6:40 PM, Nicolas Montgermont <
nicolas_montgermont at yahoo.fr> wrote:

> hello all,
>
> it should be nice to have any opinion on that. It's been nearly two months
> now.
> you can edit directly online or comment here.
> Best,
> n
>
> Le 26/01/13 10:37, Nicolas Montgermont a ?crit :
>
> updated once agin:
> http://piratepad.net/pPEAhgQS00
>
> i've kept the old version down there for comparison, and eventually to
> cancel the corrections I've made.
> Please edit directly or comment, correct!
> best,
> n
>
> Le 24/01/13 11:19, Nicolas Montgermont a ?crit :
>
>
> Le 23/01/13 20:16, Andr?s Mur?nyi a ?crit :
>
> I think the first paragraph is lovely and we shall keep it as it is, to
> avoid extra iterations.
> I don't wholeheartedly agree with the rewrite of the 2nd paragraph:
>
> I think as well it must be corrected.
>
> the points about pd being free and being available in source are missing
> now,
>
> I agree for free. For the sources, as the first line of the text says it's
> an open source software, I am not sure it's necessary.
>
> as well as a the point that pd-extended is more than vanilla+externals but
> it's also patched.
>
> I don't think it's specially relevant when you want to explain Pd-extended
> in one line.
>
> Also, afaik, vanilla is not "written by" Miller but rather "maintained" by
> him as it contains code from various authors.
>
> please edit, I think it's just a question of adding "mainly" somewhere.
>
> So, at the end, I personally prefer how this paragraphed looked before the
> last commit.
> All this work being quite subjective (as it is free text not program code)
> *please* give some reasons/rationale when you make change changes: why did
> you do what you did, what is the improvement? Otherwise we might just keep
> changing until the end of times :o)
>
> You are right:
> What I wanted to do here is trying to equilibrate the informations. I
> think it's much more relevant for a newcomer to know what is PD vs Pd
> extended, than to know Pd is available for IRIX. For me the text is more
> looking like a technical explanation around Pd, than an introduction to the
> Pd universe. For example, GEM was not mentionned once in the whole text,
> but cyclone was. In the end, it is more an introduction for developpers,
> than for users. What I think we must correct. It's a matter of balancing
> the informations, and to start from the beginning.
>
> I don't think we need the extra paragraph about graphical programming, but
> a picture of an actual patch would tell a lot (without words).
>
> I disagree. The whole point of Pd is patching, but the word is only used
> once in the text in the sentence:
> It is easy to extend Pd by nesting reusable patches ("abstractions") or
> by utilising object classes ("externals").
>
> No words are written on what is a patch. And I think it's totally
> fundamental.
>
> I don't support mixing the 3rd and the 4th paragraph either - they are two
> different points (extendability, history).
>
> If you want. IMHO, Pd extendability can be introduced in a sentence where
> Pd basic usage needs a paragraph. Max explanations worth a look for
> comparisons with pd's:
> http://cycling74.com/whatismax/
>
>
> I think as well the sentence from the 4th paragraph:
> The core of Pd (aka Pd Vanilla) is written and maintained by Miller
> Puckette and includes the work of many developers, making the whole
> package very much a community effort.
>
> is redundant now.
>
> It should be nice to have other opinions on all that?
> We are close to publishing :)
> Best,
> n
>
>
> --
> http://nim.on.free.fr
>
>
>
>
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Marco Donnarumma
2013-04-02 14:30:53 UTC
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hey,
I'm touring in Poland until next week.
I'll take a look when I'm back on monday 8th, if that's not too late.

cheers,
M

--
Marco Donnarumma
New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director.
Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team.
Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com
Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com
Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net


On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 6:02 PM, Andr?s Mur?nyi <muranyia at gmail.com> wrote:

> OK, I've made a light review.
> It would be nice if other people took a look too before we settle on it.
>
> Andr?s
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 6:40 PM, Nicolas Montgermont <
> nicolas_montgermont at yahoo.fr> wrote:
>
>> hello all,
>>
>> it should be nice to have any opinion on that. It's been nearly two
>> months now.
>> you can edit directly online or comment here.
>> Best,
>> n
>>
>> Le 26/01/13 10:37, Nicolas Montgermont a ?crit :
>>
>> updated once agin:
>> http://piratepad.net/pPEAhgQS00
>>
>> i've kept the old version down there for comparison, and eventually to
>> cancel the corrections I've made.
>> Please edit directly or comment, correct!
>> best,
>> n
>>
>> Le 24/01/13 11:19, Nicolas Montgermont a ?crit :
>>
>>
>> Le 23/01/13 20:16, Andr?s Mur?nyi a ?crit :
>>
>> I think the first paragraph is lovely and we shall keep it as it is, to
>> avoid extra iterations.
>> I don't wholeheartedly agree with the rewrite of the 2nd paragraph:
>>
>> I think as well it must be corrected.
>>
>> the points about pd being free and being available in source are missing
>> now,
>>
>> I agree for free. For the sources, as the first line of the text says
>> it's an open source software, I am not sure it's necessary.
>>
>> as well as a the point that pd-extended is more than vanilla+externals
>> but it's also patched.
>>
>> I don't think it's specially relevant when you want to explain
>> Pd-extended in one line.
>>
>> Also, afaik, vanilla is not "written by" Miller but rather "maintained"
>> by him as it contains code from various authors.
>>
>> please edit, I think it's just a question of adding "mainly" somewhere.
>>
>> So, at the end, I personally prefer how this paragraphed looked before
>> the last commit.
>> All this work being quite subjective (as it is free text not program
>> code) *please* give some reasons/rationale when you make change changes:
>> why did you do what you did, what is the improvement? Otherwise we might
>> just keep changing until the end of times :o)
>>
>> You are right:
>> What I wanted to do here is trying to equilibrate the informations. I
>> think it's much more relevant for a newcomer to know what is PD vs Pd
>> extended, than to know Pd is available for IRIX. For me the text is more
>> looking like a technical explanation around Pd, than an introduction to the
>> Pd universe. For example, GEM was not mentionned once in the whole text,
>> but cyclone was. In the end, it is more an introduction for developpers,
>> than for users. What I think we must correct. It's a matter of balancing
>> the informations, and to start from the beginning.
>>
>> I don't think we need the extra paragraph about graphical programming,
>> but a picture of an actual patch would tell a lot (without words).
>>
>> I disagree. The whole point of Pd is patching, but the word is only used
>> once in the text in the sentence:
>> It is easy to extend Pd by nesting reusable patches ("abstractions") or
>> by utilising object classes ("externals").
>>
>> No words are written on what is a patch. And I think it's totally
>> fundamental.
>>
>> I don't support mixing the 3rd and the 4th paragraph either - they are
>> two different points (extendability, history).
>>
>> If you want. IMHO, Pd extendability can be introduced in a sentence where
>> Pd basic usage needs a paragraph. Max explanations worth a look for
>> comparisons with pd's:
>> http://cycling74.com/whatismax/
>>
>>
>> I think as well the sentence from the 4th paragraph:
>> The core of Pd (aka Pd Vanilla) is written and maintained by Miller
>> Puckette and includes the work of many developers, making the whole
>> package very much a community effort.
>>
>> is redundant now.
>>
>> It should be nice to have other opinions on all that?
>> We are close to publishing :)
>> Best,
>> n
>>
>>
>> --
>> http://nim.on.free.fr
>>
>>
>>
>>
> _______________________________________________
> Pdweb mailing list
> Pdweb at iem.at
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Marco Donnarumma
2013-04-10 09:31:46 UTC
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hey all,

http://piratepad.net/pPEAhgQS00

I just made some edit (in dark violet).
I also copied the previous text below.

It looks good for me, I simply reformulated some sentences, trying to make
it extremely clear.

let me know,
cheers!


--
Marco Donnarumma
New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director.
Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team.
Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com
Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com
Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net


On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 3:30 PM, Marco Donnarumma <devel at thesaddj.com> wrote:

> hey,
> I'm touring in Poland until next week.
> I'll take a look when I'm back on monday 8th, if that's not too late.
>
> cheers,
> M
>
> --
> Marco Donnarumma
> New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director.
> Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team.
> Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com
> Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com
> Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 6:02 PM, Andr?s Mur?nyi <muranyia at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> OK, I've made a light review.
>> It would be nice if other people took a look too before we settle on it.
>>
>> Andr?s
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 6:40 PM, Nicolas Montgermont <
>> nicolas_montgermont at yahoo.fr> wrote:
>>
>>> hello all,
>>>
>>> it should be nice to have any opinion on that. It's been nearly two
>>> months now.
>>> you can edit directly online or comment here.
>>> Best,
>>> n
>>>
>>> Le 26/01/13 10:37, Nicolas Montgermont a ?crit :
>>>
>>> updated once agin:
>>> http://piratepad.net/pPEAhgQS00
>>>
>>> i've kept the old version down there for comparison, and eventually to
>>> cancel the corrections I've made.
>>> Please edit directly or comment, correct!
>>> best,
>>> n
>>>
>>> Le 24/01/13 11:19, Nicolas Montgermont a ?crit :
>>>
>>>
>>> Le 23/01/13 20:16, Andr?s Mur?nyi a ?crit :
>>>
>>> I think the first paragraph is lovely and we shall keep it as it is, to
>>> avoid extra iterations.
>>> I don't wholeheartedly agree with the rewrite of the 2nd paragraph:
>>>
>>> I think as well it must be corrected.
>>>
>>> the points about pd being free and being available in source are missing
>>> now,
>>>
>>> I agree for free. For the sources, as the first line of the text says
>>> it's an open source software, I am not sure it's necessary.
>>>
>>> as well as a the point that pd-extended is more than vanilla+externals
>>> but it's also patched.
>>>
>>> I don't think it's specially relevant when you want to explain
>>> Pd-extended in one line.
>>>
>>> Also, afaik, vanilla is not "written by" Miller but rather "maintained"
>>> by him as it contains code from various authors.
>>>
>>> please edit, I think it's just a question of adding "mainly" somewhere.
>>>
>>> So, at the end, I personally prefer how this paragraphed looked before
>>> the last commit.
>>> All this work being quite subjective (as it is free text not program
>>> code) *please* give some reasons/rationale when you make change changes:
>>> why did you do what you did, what is the improvement? Otherwise we might
>>> just keep changing until the end of times :o)
>>>
>>> You are right:
>>> What I wanted to do here is trying to equilibrate the informations. I
>>> think it's much more relevant for a newcomer to know what is PD vs Pd
>>> extended, than to know Pd is available for IRIX. For me the text is more
>>> looking like a technical explanation around Pd, than an introduction to the
>>> Pd universe. For example, GEM was not mentionned once in the whole text,
>>> but cyclone was. In the end, it is more an introduction for developpers,
>>> than for users. What I think we must correct. It's a matter of balancing
>>> the informations, and to start from the beginning.
>>>
>>> I don't think we need the extra paragraph about graphical programming,
>>> but a picture of an actual patch would tell a lot (without words).
>>>
>>> I disagree. The whole point of Pd is patching, but the word is only used
>>> once in the text in the sentence:
>>> It is easy to extend Pd by nesting reusable patches ("abstractions") or
>>> by utilising object classes ("externals").
>>>
>>> No words are written on what is a patch. And I think it's totally
>>> fundamental.
>>>
>>> I don't support mixing the 3rd and the 4th paragraph either - they are
>>> two different points (extendability, history).
>>>
>>> If you want. IMHO, Pd extendability can be introduced in a sentence
>>> where Pd basic usage needs a paragraph. Max explanations worth a look for
>>> comparisons with pd's:
>>> http://cycling74.com/whatismax/
>>>
>>>
>>> I think as well the sentence from the 4th paragraph:
>>> The core of Pd (aka Pd Vanilla) is written and maintained by Miller
>>> Puckette and includes the work of many developers, making the whole
>>> package very much a community effort.
>>>
>>> is redundant now.
>>>
>>> It should be nice to have other opinions on all that?
>>> We are close to publishing :)
>>> Best,
>>> n
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> http://nim.on.free.fr
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Pdweb mailing list
>> Pdweb at iem.at
>> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pdweb
>>
>>
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Nicolas Montgermont
2013-04-10 12:25:30 UTC
Permalink
cool,

good for me.
n

Le 10/04/13 11:31, Marco Donnarumma a ?crit :
> hey all,
>
> http://piratepad.net/pPEAhgQS00
>
> I just made some edit (in dark violet).
> I also copied the previous text below.
>
> It looks good for me, I simply reformulated some sentences, trying to
> make it extremely clear.
>
> let me know,
> cheers!
>
>
> --
> Marco Donnarumma
> New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director.
> Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team.
> Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com
> Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com
> Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 3:30 PM, Marco Donnarumma <devel at thesaddj.com
> <mailto:devel at thesaddj.com>> wrote:
>
> hey,
> I'm touring in Poland until next week.
> I'll take a look when I'm back on monday 8th, if that's not too late.
>
> cheers,
> M
>
> --
> Marco Donnarumma
> New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director.
> Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team.
> Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com
> Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com
> Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 6:02 PM, Andr?s Mur?nyi
> <muranyia at gmail.com <mailto:muranyia at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> OK, I've made a light review.
> It would be nice if other people took a look too before we
> settle on it.
>
> Andr?s
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 6:40 PM, Nicolas Montgermont
> <nicolas_montgermont at yahoo.fr
> <mailto:nicolas_montgermont at yahoo.fr>> wrote:
>
> hello all,
>
> it should be nice to have any opinion on that. It's been
> nearly two months now.
> you can edit directly online or comment here.
> Best,
> n
>
> Le 26/01/13 10:37, Nicolas Montgermont a ?crit :
>> updated once agin:
>> http://piratepad.net/pPEAhgQS00
>>
>> i've kept the old version down there for comparison, and
>> eventually to cancel the corrections I've made.
>> Please edit directly or comment, correct!
>> best,
>> n
>>
>> Le 24/01/13 11:19, Nicolas Montgermont a ?crit :
>>>
>>> Le 23/01/13 20:16, Andr?s Mur?nyi a ?crit :
>>>> I think the first paragraph is lovely and we shall keep
>>>> it as it is, to avoid extra iterations.
>>>> I don't wholeheartedly agree with the rewrite of the
>>>> 2nd paragraph:
>>> I think as well it must be corrected.
>>>> the points about pd being free and being available in
>>>> source are missing now,
>>> I agree for free. For the sources, as the first line of
>>> the text says it's an open source software, I am not
>>> sure it's necessary.
>>>> as well as a the point that pd-extended is more than
>>>> vanilla+externals but it's also patched.
>>> I don't think it's specially relevant when you want to
>>> explain Pd-extended in one line.
>>>> Also, afaik, vanilla is not "written by" Miller but
>>>> rather "maintained" by him as it contains code from
>>>> various authors.
>>> please edit, I think it's just a question of adding
>>> "mainly" somewhere.
>>>> So, at the end, I personally prefer how this
>>>> paragraphed looked before the last commit.
>>>> All this work being quite subjective (as it is free
>>>> text not program code) *please* give some
>>>> reasons/rationale when you make change changes: why did
>>>> you do what you did, what is the improvement? Otherwise
>>>> we might just keep changing until the end of times :o)
>>> You are right:
>>> What I wanted to do here is trying to equilibrate the
>>> informations. I think it's much more relevant for a
>>> newcomer to know what is PD vs Pd extended, than to know
>>> Pd is available for IRIX. For me the text is more
>>> looking like a technical explanation around Pd, than an
>>> introduction to the Pd universe. For example, GEM was
>>> not mentionned once in the whole text, but cyclone was.
>>> In the end, it is more an introduction for developpers,
>>> than for users. What I think we must correct. It's a
>>> matter of balancing the informations, and to start from
>>> the beginning.
>>>> I don't think we need the extra paragraph about
>>>> graphical programming, but a picture of an actual patch
>>>> would tell a lot (without words).
>>> I disagree. The whole point of Pd is patching, but the
>>> word is only used once in the text in the sentence:
>>> It is easy to extend Pd by nesting reusable patches
>>> ("abstractions") or by utilising object classes
>>> ("externals").
>>>
>>> No words are written on what is a patch. And I think
>>> it's totally fundamental.
>>>> I don't support mixing the 3rd and the 4th paragraph
>>>> either - they are two different points (extendability,
>>>> history).
>>> If you want. IMHO, Pd extendability can be introduced in
>>> a sentence where Pd basic usage needs a paragraph. Max
>>> explanations worth a look for comparisons with pd's:
>>> http://cycling74.com/whatismax/
>>>
>>>
>>> I think as well the sentence from the 4th paragraph:
>>> The core of Pd (aka Pd Vanilla) is written and
>>> maintained by Miller Puckette and includes the work of
>>> many developers, making the whole package very much a
>>> community effort.
>>>
>>> is redundant now.
>>>
>>> It should be nice to have other opinions on all that?
>>> We are close to publishing :)
>>> Best,
>>> n
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> http://nim.on.free.fr
>>>
>>>
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Pdweb at iem.at <mailto:Pdweb at iem.at>
> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pdweb
>
>
>
>
>
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András Murányi
2013-04-10 16:33:42 UTC
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I think it's mature enough to go online.
Then of course it will still be open for currections or new ideas.

Linking (from words like "download", "GEM", etc etc) is something we
haven't discussed - I'm personally for linking everything that can be, and
for linking one topic only once.


Andr?s


On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 2:25 PM, Nicolas Montgermont <
nicolas_montgermont at yahoo.fr> wrote:

> cool,
>
> good for me.
> n
>
> Le 10/04/13 11:31, Marco Donnarumma a ?crit :
>
> hey all,
>
> http://piratepad.net/pPEAhgQS00
>
> I just made some edit (in dark violet).
> I also copied the previous text below.
>
> It looks good for me, I simply reformulated some sentences, trying to
> make it extremely clear.
>
> let me know,
> cheers!
>
>
> --
> Marco Donnarumma
> New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director.
> Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team.
> Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com
> Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com
> Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 3:30 PM, Marco Donnarumma <devel at thesaddj.com>wrote:
>
>> hey,
>> I'm touring in Poland until next week.
>> I'll take a look when I'm back on monday 8th, if that's not too late.
>>
>> cheers,
>> M
>>
>> --
>> Marco Donnarumma
>> New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director.
>> Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team.
>> Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com
>> Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com
>> Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 6:02 PM, Andr?s Mur?nyi <muranyia at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> OK, I've made a light review.
>>> It would be nice if other people took a look too before we settle on it.
>>>
>>> Andr?s
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 6:40 PM, Nicolas Montgermont <
>>> nicolas_montgermont at yahoo.fr> wrote:
>>>
>>>> hello all,
>>>>
>>>> it should be nice to have any opinion on that. It's been nearly two
>>>> months now.
>>>> you can edit directly online or comment here.
>>>> Best,
>>>> n
>>>>
>>>> Le 26/01/13 10:37, Nicolas Montgermont a ?crit :
>>>>
>>>> updated once agin:
>>>> http://piratepad.net/pPEAhgQS00
>>>>
>>>> i've kept the old version down there for comparison, and eventually to
>>>> cancel the corrections I've made.
>>>> Please edit directly or comment, correct!
>>>> best,
>>>> n
>>>>
>>>> Le 24/01/13 11:19, Nicolas Montgermont a ?crit :
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Le 23/01/13 20:16, Andr?s Mur?nyi a ?crit :
>>>>
>>>> I think the first paragraph is lovely and we shall keep it as it is, to
>>>> avoid extra iterations.
>>>> I don't wholeheartedly agree with the rewrite of the 2nd paragraph:
>>>>
>>>> I think as well it must be corrected.
>>>>
>>>> the points about pd being free and being available in source are
>>>> missing now,
>>>>
>>>> I agree for free. For the sources, as the first line of the text says
>>>> it's an open source software, I am not sure it's necessary.
>>>>
>>>> as well as a the point that pd-extended is more than vanilla+externals
>>>> but it's also patched.
>>>>
>>>> I don't think it's specially relevant when you want to explain
>>>> Pd-extended in one line.
>>>>
>>>> Also, afaik, vanilla is not "written by" Miller but rather "maintained"
>>>> by him as it contains code from various authors.
>>>>
>>>> please edit, I think it's just a question of adding "mainly" somewhere.
>>>>
>>>> So, at the end, I personally prefer how this paragraphed looked before
>>>> the last commit.
>>>> All this work being quite subjective (as it is free text not program
>>>> code) *please* give some reasons/rationale when you make change changes:
>>>> why did you do what you did, what is the improvement? Otherwise we might
>>>> just keep changing until the end of times :o)
>>>>
>>>> You are right:
>>>> What I wanted to do here is trying to equilibrate the informations. I
>>>> think it's much more relevant for a newcomer to know what is PD vs Pd
>>>> extended, than to know Pd is available for IRIX. For me the text is more
>>>> looking like a technical explanation around Pd, than an introduction to the
>>>> Pd universe. For example, GEM was not mentionned once in the whole text,
>>>> but cyclone was. In the end, it is more an introduction for developpers,
>>>> than for users. What I think we must correct. It's a matter of balancing
>>>> the informations, and to start from the beginning.
>>>>
>>>> I don't think we need the extra paragraph about graphical programming,
>>>> but a picture of an actual patch would tell a lot (without words).
>>>>
>>>> I disagree. The whole point of Pd is patching, but the word is only
>>>> used once in the text in the sentence:
>>>> It is easy to extend Pd by nesting reusable patches ("abstractions")
>>>> or by utilising object classes ("externals").
>>>>
>>>> No words are written on what is a patch. And I think it's totally
>>>> fundamental.
>>>>
>>>> I don't support mixing the 3rd and the 4th paragraph either - they are
>>>> two different points (extendability, history).
>>>>
>>>> If you want. IMHO, Pd extendability can be introduced in a sentence
>>>> where Pd basic usage needs a paragraph. Max explanations worth a look for
>>>> comparisons with pd's:
>>>> http://cycling74.com/whatismax/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I think as well the sentence from the 4th paragraph:
>>>> The core of Pd (aka Pd Vanilla) is written and maintained by Miller
>>>> Puckette and includes the work of many developers, making the whole
>>>> package very much a community effort.
>>>>
>>>> is redundant now.
>>>>
>>>> It should be nice to have other opinions on all that?
>>>> We are close to publishing :)
>>>> Best,
>>>> n
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> http://nim.on.free.fr
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Pdweb mailing list
>>> Pdweb at iem.at
>>> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pdweb
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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>
>
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>
>
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Marco Donnarumma
2013-04-11 10:38:32 UTC
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cool, let's put it online. I'm also to link all that can be sensibly linked.

then of course it stays open to corrections.

--
Marco Donnarumma
New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director.
Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team.
Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com
Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com
Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net


On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 5:33 PM, Andr?s Mur?nyi <muranyia at gmail.com> wrote:

> I think it's mature enough to go online.
> Then of course it will still be open for currections or new ideas.
>
> Linking (from words like "download", "GEM", etc etc) is something we
> haven't discussed - I'm personally for linking everything that can be, and
> for linking one topic only once.
>
>
> Andr?s
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 2:25 PM, Nicolas Montgermont <
> nicolas_montgermont at yahoo.fr> wrote:
>
>> cool,
>>
>> good for me.
>> n
>>
>> Le 10/04/13 11:31, Marco Donnarumma a ?crit :
>>
>> hey all,
>>
>> http://piratepad.net/pPEAhgQS00
>>
>> I just made some edit (in dark violet).
>> I also copied the previous text below.
>>
>> It looks good for me, I simply reformulated some sentences, trying to
>> make it extremely clear.
>>
>> let me know,
>> cheers!
>>
>>
>> --
>> Marco Donnarumma
>> New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director.
>> Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team.
>> Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com
>> Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com
>> Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 3:30 PM, Marco Donnarumma <devel at thesaddj.com>wrote:
>>
>>> hey,
>>> I'm touring in Poland until next week.
>>> I'll take a look when I'm back on monday 8th, if that's not too late.
>>>
>>> cheers,
>>> M
>>>
>>> --
>>> Marco Donnarumma
>>> New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director.
>>> Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team.
>>> Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London
>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>> Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com
>>> Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com
>>> Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 6:02 PM, Andr?s Mur?nyi <muranyia at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> OK, I've made a light review.
>>>> It would be nice if other people took a look too before we settle on it.
>>>>
>>>> Andr?s
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 6:40 PM, Nicolas Montgermont <
>>>> nicolas_montgermont at yahoo.fr> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> hello all,
>>>>>
>>>>> it should be nice to have any opinion on that. It's been nearly two
>>>>> months now.
>>>>> you can edit directly online or comment here.
>>>>> Best,
>>>>> n
>>>>>
>>>>> Le 26/01/13 10:37, Nicolas Montgermont a ?crit :
>>>>>
>>>>> updated once agin:
>>>>> http://piratepad.net/pPEAhgQS00
>>>>>
>>>>> i've kept the old version down there for comparison, and eventually to
>>>>> cancel the corrections I've made.
>>>>> Please edit directly or comment, correct!
>>>>> best,
>>>>> n
>>>>>
>>>>> Le 24/01/13 11:19, Nicolas Montgermont a ?crit :
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Le 23/01/13 20:16, Andr?s Mur?nyi a ?crit :
>>>>>
>>>>> I think the first paragraph is lovely and we shall keep it as it is,
>>>>> to avoid extra iterations.
>>>>> I don't wholeheartedly agree with the rewrite of the 2nd paragraph:
>>>>>
>>>>> I think as well it must be corrected.
>>>>>
>>>>> the points about pd being free and being available in source are
>>>>> missing now,
>>>>>
>>>>> I agree for free. For the sources, as the first line of the text says
>>>>> it's an open source software, I am not sure it's necessary.
>>>>>
>>>>> as well as a the point that pd-extended is more than vanilla+externals
>>>>> but it's also patched.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't think it's specially relevant when you want to explain
>>>>> Pd-extended in one line.
>>>>>
>>>>> Also, afaik, vanilla is not "written by" Miller but rather
>>>>> "maintained" by him as it contains code from various authors.
>>>>>
>>>>> please edit, I think it's just a question of adding "mainly" somewhere.
>>>>>
>>>>> So, at the end, I personally prefer how this paragraphed looked before
>>>>> the last commit.
>>>>> All this work being quite subjective (as it is free text not program
>>>>> code) *please* give some reasons/rationale when you make change changes:
>>>>> why did you do what you did, what is the improvement? Otherwise we might
>>>>> just keep changing until the end of times :o)
>>>>>
>>>>> You are right:
>>>>> What I wanted to do here is trying to equilibrate the informations. I
>>>>> think it's much more relevant for a newcomer to know what is PD vs Pd
>>>>> extended, than to know Pd is available for IRIX. For me the text is more
>>>>> looking like a technical explanation around Pd, than an introduction to the
>>>>> Pd universe. For example, GEM was not mentionned once in the whole text,
>>>>> but cyclone was. In the end, it is more an introduction for developpers,
>>>>> than for users. What I think we must correct. It's a matter of balancing
>>>>> the informations, and to start from the beginning.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't think we need the extra paragraph about graphical programming,
>>>>> but a picture of an actual patch would tell a lot (without words).
>>>>>
>>>>> I disagree. The whole point of Pd is patching, but the word is only
>>>>> used once in the text in the sentence:
>>>>> It is easy to extend Pd by nesting reusable patches ("abstractions")
>>>>> or by utilising object classes ("externals").
>>>>>
>>>>> No words are written on what is a patch. And I think it's totally
>>>>> fundamental.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't support mixing the 3rd and the 4th paragraph either - they are
>>>>> two different points (extendability, history).
>>>>>
>>>>> If you want. IMHO, Pd extendability can be introduced in a sentence
>>>>> where Pd basic usage needs a paragraph. Max explanations worth a look for
>>>>> comparisons with pd's:
>>>>> http://cycling74.com/whatismax/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I think as well the sentence from the 4th paragraph:
>>>>> The core of Pd (aka Pd Vanilla) is written and maintained by Miller
>>>>> Puckette and includes the work of many developers, making the whole
>>>>> package very much a community effort.
>>>>>
>>>>> is redundant now.
>>>>>
>>>>> It should be nice to have other opinions on all that?
>>>>> We are close to publishing :)
>>>>> Best,
>>>>> n
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> http://nim.on.free.fr
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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András Murányi
2013-04-11 13:43:56 UTC
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Err... picture(s), screenshot(s)? Maybe on a separate linked page?

BTW it seems the wiki is invaded by spammers (?)
https://puredata.info/recently_modified

Andr?s


On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 12:38 PM, Marco Donnarumma <devel at thesaddj.com>wrote:

> cool, let's put it online. I'm also to link all that can be sensibly
> linked.
>
> then of course it stays open to corrections.
>
> --
> Marco Donnarumma
> New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director.
> Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team.
> Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com
> Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com
> Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 5:33 PM, Andr?s Mur?nyi <muranyia at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> I think it's mature enough to go online.
>> Then of course it will still be open for currections or new ideas.
>>
>> Linking (from words like "download", "GEM", etc etc) is something we
>> haven't discussed - I'm personally for linking everything that can be, and
>> for linking one topic only once.
>>
>>
>> Andr?s
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 2:25 PM, Nicolas Montgermont <
>> nicolas_montgermont at yahoo.fr> wrote:
>>
>>> cool,
>>>
>>> good for me.
>>> n
>>>
>>> Le 10/04/13 11:31, Marco Donnarumma a ?crit :
>>>
>>> hey all,
>>>
>>> http://piratepad.net/pPEAhgQS00
>>>
>>> I just made some edit (in dark violet).
>>> I also copied the previous text below.
>>>
>>> It looks good for me, I simply reformulated some sentences, trying to
>>> make it extremely clear.
>>>
>>> let me know,
>>> cheers!
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Marco Donnarumma
>>> New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director.
>>> Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team.
>>> Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London
>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>> Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com
>>> Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com
>>> Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 3:30 PM, Marco Donnarumma <devel at thesaddj.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> hey,
>>>> I'm touring in Poland until next week.
>>>> I'll take a look when I'm back on monday 8th, if that's not too late.
>>>>
>>>> cheers,
>>>> M
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Marco Donnarumma
>>>> New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director.
>>>> Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team.
>>>> Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London
>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>> Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com
>>>> Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com
>>>> Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 6:02 PM, Andr?s Mur?nyi <muranyia at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> OK, I've made a light review.
>>>>> It would be nice if other people took a look too before we settle on
>>>>> it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Andr?s
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 6:40 PM, Nicolas Montgermont <
>>>>> nicolas_montgermont at yahoo.fr> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> hello all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> it should be nice to have any opinion on that. It's been nearly two
>>>>>> months now.
>>>>>> you can edit directly online or comment here.
>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>> n
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Le 26/01/13 10:37, Nicolas Montgermont a ?crit :
>>>>>>
>>>>>> updated once agin:
>>>>>> http://piratepad.net/pPEAhgQS00
>>>>>>
>>>>>> i've kept the old version down there for comparison, and eventually
>>>>>> to cancel the corrections I've made.
>>>>>> Please edit directly or comment, correct!
>>>>>> best,
>>>>>> n
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Le 24/01/13 11:19, Nicolas Montgermont a ?crit :
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Le 23/01/13 20:16, Andr?s Mur?nyi a ?crit :
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think the first paragraph is lovely and we shall keep it as it is,
>>>>>> to avoid extra iterations.
>>>>>> I don't wholeheartedly agree with the rewrite of the 2nd paragraph:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think as well it must be corrected.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> the points about pd being free and being available in source are
>>>>>> missing now,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I agree for free. For the sources, as the first line of the text says
>>>>>> it's an open source software, I am not sure it's necessary.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> as well as a the point that pd-extended is more than
>>>>>> vanilla+externals but it's also patched.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't think it's specially relevant when you want to explain
>>>>>> Pd-extended in one line.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Also, afaik, vanilla is not "written by" Miller but rather
>>>>>> "maintained" by him as it contains code from various authors.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> please edit, I think it's just a question of adding "mainly"
>>>>>> somewhere.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So, at the end, I personally prefer how this paragraphed looked
>>>>>> before the last commit.
>>>>>> All this work being quite subjective (as it is free text not program
>>>>>> code) *please* give some reasons/rationale when you make change changes:
>>>>>> why did you do what you did, what is the improvement? Otherwise we might
>>>>>> just keep changing until the end of times :o)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You are right:
>>>>>> What I wanted to do here is trying to equilibrate the informations. I
>>>>>> think it's much more relevant for a newcomer to know what is PD vs Pd
>>>>>> extended, than to know Pd is available for IRIX. For me the text is more
>>>>>> looking like a technical explanation around Pd, than an introduction to the
>>>>>> Pd universe. For example, GEM was not mentionned once in the whole text,
>>>>>> but cyclone was. In the end, it is more an introduction for developpers,
>>>>>> than for users. What I think we must correct. It's a matter of balancing
>>>>>> the informations, and to start from the beginning.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't think we need the extra paragraph about graphical
>>>>>> programming, but a picture of an actual patch would tell a lot (without
>>>>>> words).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I disagree. The whole point of Pd is patching, but the word is only
>>>>>> used once in the text in the sentence:
>>>>>> It is easy to extend Pd by nesting reusable patches ("abstractions")
>>>>>> or by utilising object classes ("externals").
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No words are written on what is a patch. And I think it's totally
>>>>>> fundamental.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't support mixing the 3rd and the 4th paragraph either - they
>>>>>> are two different points (extendability, history).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you want. IMHO, Pd extendability can be introduced in a sentence
>>>>>> where Pd basic usage needs a paragraph. Max explanations worth a look for
>>>>>> comparisons with pd's:
>>>>>> http://cycling74.com/whatismax/
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think as well the sentence from the 4th paragraph:
>>>>>> The core of Pd (aka Pd Vanilla) is written and maintained by Miller
>>>>>> Puckette and includes the work of many developers, making the whole
>>>>>> package very much a community effort.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> is redundant now.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It should be nice to have other opinions on all that?
>>>>>> We are close to publishing :)
>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>> n
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> http://nim.on.free.fr
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
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IOhannes zmölnig
2013-04-12 07:09:34 UTC
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On 04/11/2013 03:43 PM, Andr?s Mur?nyi wrote:
> Err... picture(s), screenshot(s)? Maybe on a separate linked page?
>
> BTW it seems the wiki is invaded by spammers (?)
> https://puredata.info/recently_modified
>

yes, somehow the join functionality was hacked. i have turned off
self-registration (so registration is now forwarded to a human being
(me)) yesterday.

afaict, those accounts haven't created any content yet (apart from empty
homedirectories), but they should be deleted soon...

fgmasdr
IOhannes
Nicolas Montgermont
2013-04-12 07:34:06 UTC
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Le 11/04/13 15:43, Andr?s Mur?nyi a ?crit :
> Err... picture(s), screenshot(s)? Maybe on a separate linked page?
Yes, but how to choose them?

One or two years ago, there was:
- an additive synthesis patch
- a netpd screenshot
- a screenshot of hans's solitude data structure piece
- a msd editor screenshot
- a very old chdh screenshot
- a man drawn in pd objects

here for example:
http://web.archive.org/web/20110226084249/http://puredata.info/

There was two of them related to my projects, I want to precise I was
not implied in the choice!
Concerning these two pictures, here are my thoughts:
- remove msd editor screenshot as I don't maintain msd anymore
- if you still want to have a chdh screenshot, there is newer ones here:
http://www.chdh.net/slideshow/egregore7.jpg
or
http://www.chdh.net/slideshow/egregore5.jpg

For the others, It may be a good thing to pick projects that have been
presented in pd conventions, it means they were validated by a committee...
a simple patch is a good idea
I agree to keep hans's solitude because it is a very specific project.
maybe we need a physical computing project as well?

Best,

n

>
> BTW it seems the wiki is invaded by spammers (?)
> https://puredata.info/recently_modified
>
> Andr?s
>

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Marco Donnarumma
2013-04-12 08:59:34 UTC
Permalink
like the idea of illustrating projects admitted at a pd con.
and yes, perhaps it would be nice to have a pic that loosely refer to each
of the applications we mentioned in the text, i.e.

"graphics rendering (GEM library), OSC communications, binary file
processing, audio-visual streaming, physical modeling, sensor-based
performances"


--
Marco Donnarumma
New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director.
Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team.
Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com
Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com
Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net


On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 8:34 AM, Nicolas Montgermont <
nicolas_montgermont at yahoo.fr> wrote:

>
> Le 11/04/13 15:43, Andr?s Mur?nyi a ?crit :
>
> Err... picture(s), screenshot(s)? Maybe on a separate linked page?
>>
> Yes, but how to choose them?
>
> One or two years ago, there was:
> - an additive synthesis patch
> - a netpd screenshot
> - a screenshot of hans's solitude data structure piece
> - a msd editor screenshot
> - a very old chdh screenshot
> - a man drawn in pd objects
>
> here for example:
> http://web.archive.org/web/**20110226084249/http://**puredata.info/<http://web.archive.org/web/20110226084249/http://puredata.info/>
>
> There was two of them related to my projects, I want to precise I was not
> implied in the choice!
> Concerning these two pictures, here are my thoughts:
> - remove msd editor screenshot as I don't maintain msd anymore
> - if you still want to have a chdh screenshot, there is newer ones here:
> http://www.chdh.net/slideshow/**egregore7.jpg<http://www.chdh.net/slideshow/egregore7.jpg>
> or
> http://www.chdh.net/slideshow/**egregore5.jpg<http://www.chdh.net/slideshow/egregore5.jpg>
>
> For the others, It may be a good thing to pick projects that have been
> presented in pd conventions, it means they were validated by a committee...
> a simple patch is a good idea
> I agree to keep hans's solitude because it is a very specific project.
> maybe we need a physical computing project as well?
>
> Best,
>
>
> n
>
>
>> BTW it seems the wiki is invaded by spammers (?) https://puredata.info/**
>> recently_modified <https://puredata.info/recently_modified>
>>
>> Andr?s
>>
>>
> --
> http://www.nimon.org
>
>
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András Murányi
2013-04-12 12:00:28 UTC
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I agree with having a/some simple patch(es) and a/some complicated one(s),
also to illustrate GEM. I'm not sure about the others because those
pictures won't be there to be really studied, rather for a quick glance.
They could be placed under the text, between paragraphs, or in column at
the right side of the text.

Meanwhile, I think, the text could be put online, and pictures could be
added when they are ready. Marco, would you take action on the text, please?

Andr?s


On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 10:59 AM, Marco Donnarumma <devel at thesaddj.com>wrote:

> like the idea of illustrating projects admitted at a pd con.
> and yes, perhaps it would be nice to have a pic that loosely refer to each
> of the applications we mentioned in the text, i.e.
>
> "graphics rendering (GEM library), OSC communications, binary file
> processing, audio-visual streaming, physical modeling, sensor-based
> performances"
>
>
> --
> Marco Donnarumma
> New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director.
> Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team.
> Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com
> Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com
> Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 8:34 AM, Nicolas Montgermont <
> nicolas_montgermont at yahoo.fr> wrote:
>
>>
>> Le 11/04/13 15:43, Andr?s Mur?nyi a ?crit :
>>
>> Err... picture(s), screenshot(s)? Maybe on a separate linked page?
>>>
>> Yes, but how to choose them?
>>
>> One or two years ago, there was:
>> - an additive synthesis patch
>> - a netpd screenshot
>> - a screenshot of hans's solitude data structure piece
>> - a msd editor screenshot
>> - a very old chdh screenshot
>> - a man drawn in pd objects
>>
>> here for example:
>> http://web.archive.org/web/**20110226084249/http://**puredata.info/<http://web.archive.org/web/20110226084249/http://puredata.info/>
>>
>> There was two of them related to my projects, I want to precise I was not
>> implied in the choice!
>> Concerning these two pictures, here are my thoughts:
>> - remove msd editor screenshot as I don't maintain msd anymore
>> - if you still want to have a chdh screenshot, there is newer ones here:
>> http://www.chdh.net/slideshow/**egregore7.jpg<http://www.chdh.net/slideshow/egregore7.jpg>
>> or
>> http://www.chdh.net/slideshow/**egregore5.jpg<http://www.chdh.net/slideshow/egregore5.jpg>
>>
>> For the others, It may be a good thing to pick projects that have been
>> presented in pd conventions, it means they were validated by a committee...
>> a simple patch is a good idea
>> I agree to keep hans's solitude because it is a very specific project.
>> maybe we need a physical computing project as well?
>>
>> Best,
>>
>>
>> n
>>
>>
>>> BTW it seems the wiki is invaded by spammers (?) https://puredata.info/*
>>> *recently_modified <https://puredata.info/recently_modified>
>>>
>>> Andr?s
>>>
>>>
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IOhannes zmölnig
2013-04-12 15:40:03 UTC
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On 04/12/2013 02:00 PM, Andr?s Mur?nyi wrote:
> I agree with having a/some simple patch(es) and a/some complicated one(s),
> also to illustrate GEM. I'm not sure about the others because those
> pictures won't be there to be really studied,


i agree that i'm having troubles to visualize a nice-looking patch that
show-cases "binary file processing" in any meaningful way (apart from
the fact, that this is probably really not one of the strong points of Pd)


fgsdmsrdt
IOhannes
Marco Donnarumma
2013-04-12 15:46:25 UTC
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yea, meant more, visually-engaging pics... nobody gonna study pics of
patches :)

--
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New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director.
Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team.
Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com
Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com
Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net


On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 4:40 PM, IOhannes zm?lnig <zmoelnig at iem.at> wrote:

> On 04/12/2013 02:00 PM, Andr?s Mur?nyi wrote:
>
>> I agree with having a/some simple patch(es) and a/some complicated one(s),
>> also to illustrate GEM. I'm not sure about the others because those
>> pictures won't be there to be really studied,
>>
>
>
> i agree that i'm having troubles to visualize a nice-looking patch that
> show-cases "binary file processing" in any meaningful way (apart from the
> fact, that this is probably really not one of the strong points of Pd)
>
>
> fgsdmsrdt
> IOhannes
>
>
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András Murányi
2013-04-23 20:34:24 UTC
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So.... shall I push the new text to the front page?

Andr?s


On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 5:46 PM, Marco Donnarumma <devel at thesaddj.com>wrote:

> yea, meant more, visually-engaging pics... nobody gonna study pics of
> patches :)
>
> --
> Marco Donnarumma
> New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director.
> Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team.
> Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com
> Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com
> Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 4:40 PM, IOhannes zm?lnig <zmoelnig at iem.at> wrote:
>
>> On 04/12/2013 02:00 PM, Andr?s Mur?nyi wrote:
>>
>>> I agree with having a/some simple patch(es) and a/some complicated
>>> one(s),
>>> also to illustrate GEM. I'm not sure about the others because those
>>> pictures won't be there to be really studied,
>>>
>>
>>
>> i agree that i'm having troubles to visualize a nice-looking patch that
>> show-cases "binary file processing" in any meaningful way (apart from the
>> fact, that this is probably really not one of the strong points of Pd)
>>
>>
>> fgsdmsrdt
>> IOhannes
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2013-04-24 09:08:57 UTC
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yes please.
n

Le 23/04/13 22:34, Andr?s Mur?nyi a ?crit :
> So.... shall I push the new text to the front page?
>
> Andr?s
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 5:46 PM, Marco Donnarumma <devel at thesaddj.com
> <mailto:devel at thesaddj.com>> wrote:
>
> yea, meant more, visually-engaging pics... nobody gonna study pics
> of patches :)
>
> --
> Marco Donnarumma
> New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director.
> Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team.
> Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com
> Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com
> Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 4:40 PM, IOhannes zm?lnig <zmoelnig at iem.at
> <mailto:zmoelnig at iem.at>> wrote:
>
> On 04/12/2013 02:00 PM, Andr?s Mur?nyi wrote:
>
> I agree with having a/some simple patch(es) and a/some
> complicated one(s),
> also to illustrate GEM. I'm not sure about the others
> because those
> pictures won't be there to be really studied,
>
>
>
> i agree that i'm having troubles to visualize a nice-looking
> patch that show-cases "binary file processing" in any
> meaningful way (apart from the fact, that this is probably
> really not one of the strong points of Pd)
>
>
> fgsdmsrdt
> IOhannes
>
>
>
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András Murányi
2013-04-24 19:26:25 UTC
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OK, done. No pictures yet.
One question: does anyone have objections against including DesireData in
the list "Max/FTS, ISPW Max, Max/MSP, jMax, etc."?

Andr?s


On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 11:08 AM, Nicolas Montgermont <
nicolas_montgermont at yahoo.fr> wrote:

>
> yes please.
> n
>
> Le 23/04/13 22:34, Andr?s Mur?nyi a ?crit :
>
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2013-04-25 13:13:37 UTC
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cool, thanks!

the addition is fine for me.

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Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team.
Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 8:26 PM, Andr?s Mur?nyi <muranyia at gmail.com> wrote:

> OK, done. No pictures yet.
> One question: does anyone have objections against including DesireData in
> the list "Max/FTS, ISPW Max, Max/MSP, jMax, etc."?
>
> Andr?s
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 11:08 AM, Nicolas Montgermont <
> nicolas_montgermont at yahoo.fr> wrote:
>
>>
>> yes please.
>> n
>>
>> Le 23/04/13 22:34, Andr?s Mur?nyi a ?crit :
>>
>>
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Hans-Christoph Steiner
2012-11-12 15:13:07 UTC
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Its great to see you all working on this! That front intro page could definitley use a major overhaul.

About having a dev site, I think it would be a good idea, especially if it is separate from IOhannes. He's already heavily loaded. Like for the plone upgrade, if someone can get the database, files, etc. they should do the upgrade elsewhere, then it could be swapped into place once its settled.

.hc

On Nov 12, 2012, at 5:40 AM, Nicolas Montgermont wrote:

> We had a discussion in march about the home text:
> http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pdweb/2012-03/000843.html
> it stopped too early :)
> This may be a base to start
> n
>
>
> De : Marco Donnarumma <devel at thesaddj.com>
> ? : Andr?s Mur?nyi <muranyia at gmail.com>
> Cc : "pdweb at iem.at Web" <pdweb at iem.at>
> Envoy? le : Dimanche 11 novembre 2012 16h56
> Objet : Re: [Pdweb] rename "download Pd" to "Downloads"
>
> good idea, yes, maybe send us your content, this list has way less members than the others,
> so we can edit collaboratively/agree on things quite fast.
>
> thanks!
>
> --
> Marco Donnarumma
> New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director.
> Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team.
> Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com
> Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com
> Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net
>
>
> On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 3:34 PM, Andr?s Mur?nyi <muranyia at gmail.com> wrote:
> Now I'd just enrich the intro text on the main page with some direct links (for RJDJ, LibPd and whatever is mentioned there) and I think a tiny bit of clarification is missing about Vanilla (currently mentioned as "The Core of Pd) and extended (not mentioned at all). If there are no objections, I'll commit directly to the page, otherwise I'll post a revised version here first.
>
> Andr?s
>
>
> On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 12:28 PM, Marco Donnarumma <devel at thesaddj.com> wrote:
> yea, nice..
>
>
> --
> Marco Donnarumma
> New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director.
> Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team.
> Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com
> Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com
> Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 10:28 PM, Andr?s Mur?nyi <muranyia at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 10:18 PM, Andr?s Mur?nyi <muranyia at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 12:53 AM, Marco Donnarumma <devel at thesaddj.com> wrote:
> if I remember correctly, adding something to a page might be tricky (at least with this version of Plone, the only I know).
> I will look into it, although I don't have much time at the moment, so anybody who wants to chip in before me is welcome :)
>
> Let me into the Zope Management Interface and I'll try to tame the old beast.
>
> Andr?s
>
> Oh! Just noticed the fresh changes. The links on the top of the right column are cooler then I thought (ie both links are there), bravo!
> As for the menu, I'd suggest "Downloads" instead of "Download" then.
>
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Nicolas Montgermont
2012-11-09 09:26:10 UTC
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Le 07/11/12 20:36, Andr?s Mur?nyi a ?crit :
> If you could once duplicate the directory structure and the database,
> I'd be willing to take the upgrade trip...
>
That may be a really big improvement for the pd website!!
Thanks for applying for this task :)

I think it may be really simpler to manage the website, and it'll be
really more clear.

It may be as well a good time to define responsabilities, as we
suggested earlier this year. Like, every section has a manager that
sometimes checks that everything is going well. i think as well marco
may be in charge of the design, if he and everyone agree.
I may handle the community section.

Is it possible to have a working copy online that we can modify and then
to switch from the old to the new one?
I was wondering as well if the upgrade towards a new version of plone is
too complex cause of the age of our version, if we may ask for an advice
to plone developpers?

Best,
n

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Marco Donnarumma
2012-11-09 10:05:03 UTC
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yes, organization sounds good :)
I'm keen to work and maintain the design, if others are ok with it.

Also agree with Nicolas, about working first on a dev domain, and then
migrate to the live website.
is it feasible?

--
Marco Donnarumma
New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director.
Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team.
Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com
Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com
Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net


On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 9:26 AM, Nicolas Montgermont <
nicolas_montgermont at yahoo.fr> wrote:

>
> Le 07/11/12 20:36, Andr?s Mur?nyi a ?crit :
>
> If you could once duplicate the directory structure and the database, I'd
>> be willing to take the upgrade trip...
>>
>> That may be a really big improvement for the pd website!!
> Thanks for applying for this task :)
>
> I think it may be really simpler to manage the website, and it'll be
> really more clear.
>
> It may be as well a good time to define responsabilities, as we suggested
> earlier this year. Like, every section has a manager that sometimes checks
> that everything is going well. i think as well marco may be in charge of
> the design, if he and everyone agree.
> I may handle the community section.
>
> Is it possible to have a working copy online that we can modify and then
> to switch from the old to the new one?
> I was wondering as well if the upgrade towards a new version of plone is
> too complex cause of the age of our version, if we may ask for an advice to
> plone developpers?
>
> Best,
> n
>
> --
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András Murányi
2012-11-09 18:06:28 UTC
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On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 11:05 AM, Marco Donnarumma <devel at thesaddj.com>wrote:

> yes, organization sounds good :)
> I'm keen to work and maintain the design, if others are ok with it.
>
> Also agree with Nicolas, about working first on a dev domain, and then
> migrate to the live website.
> is it feasible?


Definitely that is the way. By "duplicating" I meant exactly this: to make
a completely independent, not publicly visible copy of the existing web
site, where we can play around until it's perfect.
Attention: we'll have to take into account, however, that the existing web
site may evolve meanwhile we're playing around with the copy, so before
finally swapping in the new one for the old one, we'll have to make sure
that any content that was added to the new one is reflected on the new one
as well. We'll how see how exactly this is best achieved.

About the first steps: according to [1] it's not really a copy of the
existing site that we'll need but an EMPTY Plone 3.3.x install. When
IOhannes has the time to set it up, we're ready to go.

[1]
http://plone.org/documentation/manual/upgrade-guide/version/upgrade-pre-2.5-releases-to-the-latest-release


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IOhannes m zmölnig
2012-11-09 21:41:50 UTC
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On 11/09/2012 07:06 PM, Andr?s Mur?nyi wrote:
>
> Definitely that is the way. By "duplicating" I meant exactly this: to
> make a completely independent, not publicly visible copy of the existing
> web site, where we can play around until it's perfect.
> Attention: we'll have to take into account, however, that the existing
> web site may evolve meanwhile we're playing around with the copy, so
> before finally swapping in the new one for the old one, we'll have to
> make sure that any content that was added to the new one is reflected on
> the new one as well. We'll how see how exactly this is best achieved.

glad to see so much activity here...


>
> About the first steps: according to [1] it's not really a copy of the

the biggest problem i remember is, that the puredata.info instance uses
a custom plone product for storing media files on the filesystem rather
than within the zodb.
currently, there are about 3GB of files external to the zodb; after an
upgrade those files should still be available somehow.
this might require either someone with zope/plone skills illing to
upgrade that product manually or a patient hand (manually copying the
files).


> existing site that we'll need but an EMPTY Plone 3.3.x install. When
> IOhannes has the time to set it up, we're ready to go.

i'm basically out-of-office for the next 2 weeks, but after that my
stress level should diminsh considerably.


fgmasdr
IOhannes
Nicolas Montgermont
2012-11-22 11:54:59 UTC
Permalink
Hello all,

I was thinking on how we may manage this switching, specially if we must
have to start from a fresh install, I think there are few clear steps:

1 - installing a new hidden plone.
2 - thinking the architecture of the new site
3 - filling the architecture with the "old" content
4 - graphical design of the new site
5 - filling the website with member contents
6 - checking and switching to the new version.

A proposal on how we should do that:
step 1 : handled by Andras.
step 2 : discussion on this list
step 3 : handled by section responsables (if we agree on this kind of
organisation)
step 4 : discussion on this list and marco's implementation.
step 5 : maybe we can send a mail to every member of the actual site to
have them move their own content?
step 6 : pdweb-list and maybe pd-list help.

I think it's no problem if we have all this switching lasting a few
months. The longest step for me is step 5, and I think it's really
better if we let a long time to people to switch their content.
An intermediate part of the website between members and architecture is
the community section, where it is good to have people create their own
page for patching circles and others. I am ok to write a little tutorial
to achieve an homogen creation of specific pages, and to write
individual mails to each local groups member.

best,
n


Le 09/11/12 22:41, IOhannes m zm?lnig a ?crit :
> On 11/09/2012 07:06 PM, Andr?s Mur?nyi wrote:
>>
>> Definitely that is the way. By "duplicating" I meant exactly this: to
>> make a completely independent, not publicly visible copy of the existing
>> web site, where we can play around until it's perfect.
>> Attention: we'll have to take into account, however, that the existing
>> web site may evolve meanwhile we're playing around with the copy, so
>> before finally swapping in the new one for the old one, we'll have to
>> make sure that any content that was added to the new one is reflected on
>> the new one as well. We'll how see how exactly this is best achieved.
>
> glad to see so much activity here...
>
>
>>
>> About the first steps: according to [1] it's not really a copy of the
>
> the biggest problem i remember is, that the puredata.info instance
> uses a custom plone product for storing media files on the filesystem
> rather than within the zodb.
> currently, there are about 3GB of files external to the zodb; after an
> upgrade those files should still be available somehow.
> this might require either someone with zope/plone skills illing to
> upgrade that product manually or a patient hand (manually copying the
> files).
>
>
>> existing site that we'll need but an EMPTY Plone 3.3.x install. When
>> IOhannes has the time to set it up, we're ready to go.
>
> i'm basically out-of-office for the next 2 weeks, but after that my
> stress level should diminsh considerably.
>
>
> fgmasdr
> IOhannes
>
> _______________________________________________
> Pdweb mailing list
> Pdweb at iem.at
> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pdweb
>

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András Murányi
2012-11-28 19:51:12 UTC
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Not knowing much about Plone yet, I agree with the plan, except that step 1
shall be performed by someone having FTP access to the site (IOhannes).
So do I understand right, that rather than migrating the whole content as
it is, you are suggesting a restructuring/cleanup? If so, I support the
idea, but the process will need to be refined further.

Andr?s

On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 12:54 PM, Nicolas Montgermont <
nicolas_montgermont at yahoo.fr> wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> I was thinking on how we may manage this switching, specially if we must
> have to start from a fresh install, I think there are few clear steps:
>
> 1 - installing a new hidden plone.
> 2 - thinking the architecture of the new site
> 3 - filling the architecture with the "old" content
> 4 - graphical design of the new site
> 5 - filling the website with member contents
> 6 - checking and switching to the new version.
>
> A proposal on how we should do that:
> step 1 : handled by Andras.
> step 2 : discussion on this list
> step 3 : handled by section responsables (if we agree on this kind of
> organisation)
> step 4 : discussion on this list and marco's implementation.
> step 5 : maybe we can send a mail to every member of the actual site to
> have them move their own content?
> step 6 : pdweb-list and maybe pd-list help.
>
> I think it's no problem if we have all this switching lasting a few
> months. The longest step for me is step 5, and I think it's really better
> if we let a long time to people to switch their content.
> An intermediate part of the website between members and architecture is
> the community section, where it is good to have people create their own
> page for patching circles and others. I am ok to write a little tutorial to
> achieve an homogen creation of specific pages, and to write individual
> mails to each local groups member.
>
> best,
> n
>
>
> Le 09/11/12 22:41, IOhannes m zm?lnig a ?crit :
>
>> On 11/09/2012 07:06 PM, Andr?s Mur?nyi wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Definitely that is the way. By "duplicating" I meant exactly this: to
>>> make a completely independent, not publicly visible copy of the existing
>>> web site, where we can play around until it's perfect.
>>> Attention: we'll have to take into account, however, that the existing
>>> web site may evolve meanwhile we're playing around with the copy, so
>>> before finally swapping in the new one for the old one, we'll have to
>>> make sure that any content that was added to the new one is reflected on
>>> the new one as well. We'll how see how exactly this is best achieved.
>>>
>>
>> glad to see so much activity here...
>>
>>
>>
>>> About the first steps: according to [1] it's not really a copy of the
>>>
>>
>> the biggest problem i remember is, that the puredata.info instance uses
>> a custom plone product for storing media files on the filesystem rather
>> than within the zodb.
>> currently, there are about 3GB of files external to the zodb; after an
>> upgrade those files should still be available somehow.
>> this might require either someone with zope/plone skills illing to
>> upgrade that product manually or a patient hand (manually copying the
>> files).
>>
>>
>> existing site that we'll need but an EMPTY Plone 3.3.x install. When
>>> IOhannes has the time to set it up, we're ready to go.
>>>
>>
>> i'm basically out-of-office for the next 2 weeks, but after that my
>> stress level should diminsh considerably.
>>
>>
>> fgmasdr
>> IOhannes
>>
>>
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